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Conservatives win outright majority 1 3.13%
Labour win outright majority 1 3.13%
Hung parliament; Conservatives able to form a government 15 46.88%
Hung parliament; Labour able to form a government 4 12.50%
Chaos / no party able to form stable govt 8 25.00%
No idea / too unpredictable 3 9.38%
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Old 08.05.2015, 08:50
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

I think the FPTP issue is a red herring. People are disillusioned because none of the main party leaders could give a straight answer on any issue. Sturgeon on the other hand is popular not only for her policies but because she doesn't patronize or insult the voters.

Farage, the big arse, has some support because he "appears" to be talking straight although he is a liar and a bigot.
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Old 08.05.2015, 08:51
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

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Did the SVP branch out of Switzerland? If they did then that will be a first of its kind!! Or is it SNP, excitement got the better of you?
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Good ol' Ueli ..... We could be looking at a cross-border SVP- UKIP alliance.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

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Democracy doesn't work when a party with 34% of the vote gets 50% of the seats.
Welcome to the UK. First past the post provides this kind of result consistently over at least 50 years. It's the all down to ground game (making people vote) and "rotten boroughs".

Once again, the UK electorate refusing to change the system to Alternative Voting in 2011 is to blame, so we're back to two party politics in England. In Scotland... something else.


Real news here: the protest vote moved from the Lib Dems to UKIP and SNP. Not enough to give seats in England to UKIP but enough to kill Lib Dems across the UK.
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I am gutted I woke up this morning, well at least the weather is nice today...
...and you live in Switzerland, so this result will not affect you in the slightest
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Old 08.05.2015, 09:18
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...and you live in Switzerland, so this result will not affect you in the slightest
If you are a UK citizen, living in Switzerland and do not have a Swiss passport it may well affect you.
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Old 08.05.2015, 09:25
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...and you live in Switzerland, so this result will not affect you in the slightest
Then 2017 might be a surprise for you. Switzerland is on track to withdraw from the Free Movement of People accord, which triggers the guillotine clause in the EU bilaterals, while the UK will have its EU referendum.

Until all this shakes out, with replacement treaties may having to be negotiated, mutual uncertainty for ch and UK citizens to be able to live and work in the other country.

But not to worry! The gnomes in London and Zurich are probably already lobbying away
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Old 08.05.2015, 10:06
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Democracy doesn't work when a party with 34% of the vote gets 50% of the seats.
This wasn't a general referendum on 10 Downing street. These were local elections for representation for over 500 seats. A straight majority, winner takes all election is more apt for voting in an autocratic government that does not listen to the other half of the country. Believe me, this is better for civilized politics, and the US envies it.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

Another view: it looks like UKIP are undermining votes for Labour, not just Libdems and Conservatives. The rise of the populist parties are now affecting England, not just Scotland (and the rest of Europe).


Meanwhile, Channel 4 did a great job at the coverage, the comedy was spot on.
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Old 08.05.2015, 10:33
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This wasn't a general referendum on 10 Downing street. These were local elections for representation for over 500 seats. A straight majority, winner takes all election is more apt for voting in an autocratic government that does not listen to the other half of the country. Believe me, this is better for civilized politics, and the US envies it.
Wheras in the UK there will be a government that doesn't listen to the other two thirds of the country.


Give me the European PR systems any time over that.
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Democracy doesn't work when a party with 34% of the vote gets 50% of the seats.
Is it 34% of the total elligible voters or 34% of those who voted? In the first case if only 70% went to vote then the scenario is completely acceptable. In the second case, if you consider that - 1. There could only be one winner and 2. There were more than 2 candidates, often 4 in most seats. So even in this case the figure of 50% seats aptly represents the majority view.
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Old 08.05.2015, 10:44
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Wheras in the UK there will be a government that doesn't listen to the other two thirds of the country.

Give me the European PR systems any time over that.

In which case, UKIP would have approximately 100 seats. Are you hating the players, or hating the game?
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Old 08.05.2015, 10:46
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

What a balls up ...... Or more to the point Balls out.
Ed Balls loses seat to Tory candidate, after a recount by just a few hundred.
Swing to UKIP, costing labour votes, and has probably signalled the final nail in the coffin of dead Ed (the other one), who's headed back to Labour HQ and is expected to give a statement at lunchtime.

The only possible positive to be drawn, is that Mrs. Ed Balls, is probably set to become the first female leader of the Labour Party.


You read it here, first, folks.
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What a balls up ...... Or more to the point Balls out.
Ed Balls loses seat to Tory candidate, after a recount by just a few hundred.
Swing to UKIP, costing labour votes, and has probably signalled the final nail in the coffin of dead Ed (the other one), who's headed back to Labour HQ and is expected to give a statement at lunchtime.

The only possible positive to be drawn, is that Mrs. Ed Balls, is probably set to become the first female leader of the Labour Party.


You read it here, first, folks.
haha this made me laugh but losing (Ed) Balls is the best thing for Labour as he is an insincere snidey snidey electoral failure.

Labour losing out to UKIP is repeated often in the media but I don't buy it at all. It's more of an excuse for Labour than a real reason. UKIP voters are more naturally right wing Tories, if Cameron were a good leader he would have had a decent Tory majority with those UKIP voters
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...and you live in Switzerland, so this result will not affect you in the slightest
That's a stupid and facetious reply, of course it affects me, what do you know of my situation or that of my family in the UK? I voted in proxy, because I have the right to vote and the right to exercise my right for democracy. I didn't move to Switzerland because I would earn more money, and certainly not to avoid paying taxes! I am not Swiss so even if I wanted to exercise my right to vote in Switzerland I would not be allowed. So basically jog on...
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

Apparently, the BBC "has learnt" that Ed Miliband is about to resign as Labour leader ..... which was obviously expected.


I can picture two Davids rubbing their hands in glee - one with his Tory boys, like a bunch of prefects who have just confiscated a fresher's food parcel, just in time for tiffin; and the other somewhere on the other side of the pond ...... who probably would have been a much more charismatic and effectual leader..
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Is it 34% of the total elligible voters or 34% of those who voted? In the first case if only 70% went to vote then the scenario is completely acceptable. In the second case, if you consider that - 1. There could only be one winner and 2. There were more than 2 candidates, often 4 in most seats. So even in this case the figure of 50% seats aptly represents the majority view.
Those who voted. If you don't vote you have no right to have a share in the outcome.


Plus regardless of what those in favor of FPTP like to argue about local representation, the general election is really about electing a government. Therefore it is important that government represents the electorate as well as possible.
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That's a stupid and facetious reply, of course it affects me, what do you know of my situation or that of my family in the UK? I voted in proxy, because I have the right to vote and the right to exercise my right for democracy. I didn't move to Switzerland because I would earn more money, and certainly not to avoid paying taxes! I am not Swiss so even if I wanted to exercise my right to vote in Switzerland I would not be allowed. So basically jog on...
Oh well, tough shit then.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

I think FPTP is flawed as is every system but proportional representation comes in different guises and also has its many faults. Also don't make the assumption that the general election voting shares would be the same for proprep as for FPTP.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

So no surprise there then. Ed has resigned.
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