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Kayla Mueller murdered by ISIS in Syria

Sadly after 2 years in captivity, another aid worker Kayla Mueller has been killed by her captives. The US has confirmed
the death of aid worker Kayla Mueller, the last American hostage known to be held by Islamic State (IS) militants in Syria.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31377598 .... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31375445

The US has confirmed the death of aid worker Kayla Mueller, who had been held hostage by Islamic State (IS) militants in Syria.
Her family said they were "heartbroken" to learn the news, and released a letter written during her captivity.
Last week, Islamic State said she had died in a Jordanian air strike, without providing proof.
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Re: Kayla Mueller murdered by ISIS in Syria

Thoughts are with the family.
It's a shame that even those working to support the victims become victims themselves.
That even sounds totally wrong.
Makes me appreciate this little la-la-land of safety and stability even more every single day.
And even that sounds wrong.
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Re: Kayla Mueller murdered by ISIS in Syria

I would never want anyone to think that I would defend IS -- but is there any proof that IS(IS) murdered Ms Mueller? They claim she was killed in a Jordanian air strike. That claim certainly looks like opportunistic propaganda, but in the absence of proof ...
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I would never want anyone to think that I would defend IS -- but is there any proof that IS(IS) murdered Ms Mueller? They claim she was killed in a Jordanian air strike. That claim certainly looks like opportunistic propaganda, but in the absence of proof ...


Not knowing what this poor women went true ,well I am lost for words !
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Re: Kayla Mueller murdered by ISIS in Syria

I don't think we owe IS(IS) any element of doubt. They obviously killed her and then tried to make propaganda out of it by suggesting the US killed her (With high altitude precision bombing?) So where is the body? ISIS are very happy to show us headless soldiers and western reporters, but not a dead girl.
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I would never want anyone to think that I would defend IS -- but is there any proof that IS(IS) murdered Ms Mueller? They claim she was killed in a Jordanian air strike. That claim certainly looks like opportunistic propaganda, but in the absence of proof ...
I also think ISIS have done enough to demonise themselves without resorting to killing a helpless woman. That in itself would raise major objections from even their most hardcore backers and turn people from their cause. Its more likely that she was tragically killed by a Jordanian bomb, however that doesn't quite fit the heroic, plucky Jordanian assault narrative.
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I would never want anyone to think that I would defend IS -- but is there any proof that IS(IS) murdered Ms Mueller? They claim she was killed in a Jordanian air strike. That claim certainly looks like opportunistic propaganda, but in the absence of proof ...
All we actually know is that she's dead.
People shouldn't put too much faith in news reports these days. Any news reports.
Can your life be summed up in a 90s segment?
Would it be a true representation?

Just remember: truth is the first casualty in any war.

Personally, I don't even doubt the report in this case.
Simply because this conflict is way beyond the stage (and has been for a good while) where any side actually needs a reason to do or not do something, attack or not attack something or somebody and kill or not kill somebody - anybody.
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I also think ISIS have done enough to demonise themselves without resorting to killing a helpless woman. That in itself would raise major objections from even their most hardcore backers and turn people from their cause. Its more likely that she was tragically killed by a Jordanian bomb, however that doesn't quite fit the heroic, plucky Jordanian assault narrative.
Just like you can do suicide by cop by flashing a gun in front of a couple of officers queuing up for their donuts in a NY-city cafe, there are places where a hostage is safer and there are places where she's less safe from an airstrike.

There's fate and then there's "fate"....
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I don't think we owe IS(IS) any element of doubt. They obviously killed her and then tried to make propaganda out of it by suggesting the US killed her (With high altitude precision bombing?) So where is the body? ISIS are very happy to show us headless soldiers and western reporters, but not a dead girl.
I don't want to imagine what they have done to her so frankly, if the Jordanian bombing killed her, I can only see it as a relieve.
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I would never want anyone to think that I would defend IS -- but is there any proof that IS(IS) murdered Ms Mueller? They claim she was killed in a Jordanian air strike. That claim certainly looks like opportunistic propaganda, but in the absence of proof ...
Evidence was provided to her family and Washington to prove she is dead. No indication was given as to what the evidence is.
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I also think ISIS have done enough to demonise themselves without resorting to killing a helpless woman. That in itself would raise major objections from even their most hardcore backers and turn people from their cause. ...
What, like when the Taliban killed 132 school children, or failed to murder Malala Yousufzai? Or when Margeret Hassan was murdered?
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Re: Kayla Mueller murdered by ISIS in Syria

As tragic and brutal as this is, the numbing effect of more death and destruction is just another day in the Middle East. Killing each other and anyone who tries to help by slaughtering themselves back into medieval times.

I can't put myself into the mindset of either warring side because their aims don't have any resonance with my beliefs. And yet there are still wannabe European warriors leaving their serene lives to follow their calling and taste death at close quarters. Maybe because the tranquility of Europe holds no thrill. The old cliché about war breaking out and no one turning up would be apt if it wasn't so completely wrong. War breaks out and we're watching it like scientists looking down at a cage as rodents carve each other up. And we're interested, but our feelings are void as we've moved beyond caring. It's not our war and the power nations in the area (except Jordan) don't care because they feel they're above the squabbling going on north of their borders.
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I would never want anyone to think that I would defend IS -- but is there any proof that IS(IS) murdered Ms Mueller? They claim she was killed in a Jordanian air strike. That claim certainly looks like opportunistic propaganda, but in the absence of proof ...


Lots of Jews in concentration camps in later WW-II lost their lifes during US/UK airstrikes. But the ISIS chaps have NO proof whatever that she really got killed by an airstrike. They admitted the murder of the RJAF Pilot a month AFTER it had happened. So that I conclude that they have already killed the Girl quite a good a while ago. To have with King Abdullah II we have to hunt down that gang of murderers

A sister of the King and the favourite daughter of King Hussein is married to Emir Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, and so, Dubai is now nicely supporrting Jordan in ist fight
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I also think ISIS have done enough to demonise themselves without resorting to killing a helpless woman. That in itself would raise major objections from even their most hardcore backers and turn people from their cause. Its more likely that she was tragically killed by a Jordanian bomb, however that doesn't quite fit the heroic, plucky Jordanian assault narrative.
Castro no offence, but what planet do you live on? Without resorting to killing a helpless woman? They have been raping and murdering women since they came into power, and to think that you are actually layering your own moraly over the top of a Jihadi animal is quite frankly ludicrous.

Come back down to Earth.
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What, like when the Taliban killed 132 school children, or failed to murder Malala Yousufzai? Or when Margeret Hassan was murdered?
In the first two cases you mention the taliban were pursuing a vendetta, and in the case of Margaret Hassan the motives of her kidnappers were the withdrawal of British troops from Iraq, which presumably means these were men loyal to Saddam.

In any case I think it is important to distinguish, rather than conflate these different terror groups. The Taliban are largely an uneducated, parochial outfit without much of a following outside of Afghanistan and Pakistan. ISIS on the other hand are infinitely more sophisticated and global, and part of that means appearing legitimate and attractive to financial backers and new recruits. Killing Kayla Mueller to my mind doesn't fulfil that objective, but then i am just surmising like anyone else
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Castro no offence, but what planet do you live on? Without resorting to killing a helpless woman? They have been raping and murdering women since they came into power, and to think that you are actually layering your own moraly over the top of a Jihadi animal is quite frankly ludicrous.
Monsters don't take sides Rich. It is within so many. Most can handle their emotions and hatred, some can't. This a human conflict. Maybe you've heard of Steven Green? He had no reason to did what he did, no extreme religious calling, he snapped and committed the most brutal of crimes. He's dead now. I can't say I'm sad about that.
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Monsters don't take sides Rich. It is within so many. Most can handle their emotions and hatred, some can't. This a human conflict. Maybe you've heard of Steven Green? He had no reason to did what he did, no extreme religious calling, he snapped and committed the most brutal of crimes. He's dead now. I can't say I'm sad about that.
I know people can snap and do anything, I've never been in any doubt of that, but the context is Castro doubting that ISIS would murder a woman. Clearly with ISIS's record, and the mentality of the average religious zealot, woman-hating foot soldier, such a thing is perfectly possible.
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I don't think we owe IS(IS) any element of doubt. They obviously killed her and then tried to make propaganda out of it by suggesting the US killed her (With high altitude precision bombing?) So where is the body? ISIS are very happy to show us headless soldiers and western reporters, but not a dead girl.

When a bomb drops close to you, there is usualy not a lot left to show
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I know people can snap and do anything, I've never been in any doubt of that, but the context is Castro doubting that ISIS would murder a woman. Clearly with ISIS's record, and the mentality of the average religious zealot, woman-hating foot soldier, such a thing is perfectly possible.
I am not saying they are not capable, but simply that it does not seem to fit with their strategic interests i.e gaining a global following of sympathisers who will heed their call to jihad. Had they released her unharmed, it would have done them more good.
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I also think ISIS have done enough to demonise themselves without resorting to killing a helpless woman. That in itself would raise major objections from even their most hardcore backers and turn people from their cause.
I agree, ISIS supporters would consider murder of a woman reprehensible. They would have preferred if she would have been raped and given to the fighters or simply sold into slavery.
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