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Old 20.02.2015, 11:35
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The Guardian has named 2 brothers as being suspects who have been suspended by Chelsea and rather gleefully post a photo of him with Nigel Farage (although UKIP have been very fast in condemning this incident).

One of the brothers, Josh Parsons, has also been suspended from his job at Business and Commercial Finance Club pending an investigation by them.

And the Guardian also re published part of the interview with another so called fan on the train....

"Mitchell McCoy, a 17-year-old Chelsea fan who was also on the train, has spoken to a number of media outlets defending the fans in the video, claiming there was no racism involved.
He told LBC: “The carriage was full up, there was no room for him to get on and he tried to force himself on. He was really aggressive, pushing himself. I’d say it was self defence, pushing him off.”
Asked whether the pushing and chanting were connected, he said: “No of course it wasn’t connected. The press are trying to make something out of nothing.”
At the time of the incident, McCoy sent a number of tweets which he later deleted, including one which read: “Our captain is a racist a racist a racist and that is why we love him we love him we love him.”"
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A spokeswoman for the prosecutors’ office said anyone convicted could face a prison term of up to three years and a fine of up to €45,000 (£33,000).
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I'm actually surprised at the black guys persistence to get in that compartment - his journey wouldn't have exactly been comfortable, even if he had succeeded.

It's good to make a stand against prejudice, but sometimes you just have to be plain sensible, and walk away.
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Old 20.02.2015, 12:01
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Re: Chelsea fans in Paris Metro racist incident.

Freedom riders were political activists, the gentlemen abused in this instance was a member of the general public who accidentally got caught up in this incident.
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Old 20.02.2015, 12:09
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Re: Chelsea fans in Paris Metro racist incident.

I watched the video. This wouldn't have made page 63 of the Nothing Here Express in the 1980s. Not that it's insignificant, it's clearly offensive, but if you looked at what actually happened, this event is a non-event. Ever traveled on the Paris RER or Metro late at night? It's a multi-cultural potpourri.

Some soccer fans are racist? Really? Wow, that's news? In Italy, Spain or any given South America the same confrontation could more than likely have ended up with corpses if someone was wearing the wrong colors. Extreme soccer thugs would shout abuse at anyone to satiate their shouting urges. It's a herd thing.

So when you use your utopian values to judge, do please bear in mind that a rowdy bunch of soccer fans being assholes due to their peers does not need a change in foreign policy.
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Old 20.02.2015, 12:17
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Freedom riders were political activists, the gentlemen abused in this instance was a member of the general public who accidentally got caught up in this incident.
They were getting beat up to draw attention to the problem so any race could travel on public transportation. The person I quoted suggested this person should just bow down and accept racism. I don't see the difference. Aren't we all the same?
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Old 20.02.2015, 12:26
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They were getting beat up to draw attention to the problem so any race could travel on public transportation. The person I quoted suggested this person should just bow down and accept racism. I don't see the difference. Aren't we all the same?
The Freedom Rides were planned and pre-orchestrated. They were an act of protest contrived to highlight racism.

This guy didn't know he was going to be filmed. Quite possible this incident would have gone undetected by the media, and even if he had boxed his way onto the train he would have had a miserable train ride and achieved absoltely nothing. That's not a protest. That's sticking your head into the lion's mouth.

I think there are many white people who wouldn't want to ride a train full of football hooligans. The many people standing on the platform suggest that many decided it wasn't worth it and chose to wait for the next train.
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Old 20.02.2015, 12:27
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My thoughts exactly. I cringe to think what people think of "Brits Abroad" ….. maybe you should have to take an intelligence test before you are issued with a passport!!!
I personally can't stand them.
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Old 20.02.2015, 12:32
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I personally can't stand them.
Yeah, better they stay at home - like most Americans do.
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Old 20.02.2015, 12:38
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They were getting beat up to draw attention to the problem so any race could travel on public transportation. The person I quoted suggested this person should just bow down and accept racism. I don't see the difference. Aren't we all the same?
I misunderstood your point, thanks for pointing this out. I agree the man was brave and right to stand up for himself.

Actually I don't think we are all the same, but that's another debate! I welcome the diversity!
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I watched the video. This wouldn't have made page 63 of the Nothing Here Express in the 1980s. Not that it's insignificant, it's clearly offensive, but if you looked at what actually happened, this event is a non-event. Ever traveled on the Paris RER or Metro late at night? It's a multi-cultural potpourri.

Some soccer fans are racist? Really? Wow, that's news? In Italy, Spain or any given South America the same confrontation could more than likely have ended up with corpses if someone was wearing the wrong colors. Extreme soccer thugs would shout abuse at anyone to satiate their shouting urges. It's a herd thing.

So when you use your utopian values to judge, do please bear in mind that a rowdy bunch of soccer fans being assholes due to their peers does not need a change in foreign policy.
No, it doesn't grant a change in foreign policy, but it does beg for a change in people's mentalities. Which is what this is all about, and rightfully so justifies the media coverage. The fact that soccer fans are racists does not mean they're right to be so, or that it's fine to stay that way.

The Paris metro can be a "multi-cultural potpurri" without people getting kicked off the train because they've the wrong color.
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Old 20.02.2015, 12:57
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Re: Chelsea fans in Paris Metro racist incident.

This story is just an excuse for everyone to jump on the media bandwagon of outrage. Was it bad? Of course. Disgusting behaviour? Absolutely. But in the grand scheme of things no one was seriously hurt, and it was a few individuals acting as a mob.

When a guy walked Paris dressed as a Jew last week, that exposed just how rife antisemitism is there, it didn't get nearly the same media coverage.
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Re: Chelsea fans in Paris Metro racist incident.

its pretty obvious that football is a high profile game (the Champions League even more so) so of course it is understandable that the incident is a media story
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I'm actually surprised at the black guys persistence to get in that compartment - his journey wouldn't have exactly been comfortable, even if he had succeeded.

It's good to make a stand against prejudice, but sometimes you just have to be plain sensible, and walk away.
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They were getting beat up to draw attention to the problem so any race could travel on public transportation. The person I quoted suggested this person should just bow down and accept racism. I don't see the difference. Aren't we all the same?
That's not what I wrote - but just your interpretation.
What I suggested was that sometimes the sensible thing is to avoid confrontation, just for the sake of proving a point. That's what I would have done, but obviously this person was free to make his own choices.
Me? - I wouldn't have fancied the odds.

Freedom Fighters? ...... different time, different place, different circumstances.
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This story is just an excuse for everyone to jump on the media bandwagon of outrage. Was it bad? Of course. Disgusting behaviour? Absolutely. But in the grand scheme of things no one was seriously hurt, and it was a few individuals acting as a mob.

When a guy walked Paris dressed as a Jew last week, that exposed just how rife antisemitism is there, it didn't get nearly the same media coverage.
So did a Muslim walking around the city center in Milan.

Whats your point? Why bring that into a thread about football hooliganism, when it is clearly unrelated? Its almost as if there is an agenda at play.

You can dismiss it as people jumping on the media bandwagon and other such bluff, But im actually glad. Had nothing been said, these guys would never have been identified and the message would not be communicated, that this is not acceptable behavior. If there was no furore, it is unlikely Mourinho would have called these guys an embarrassment to the club.

You can say this is an irrelevant thing, but to a lot of football hooligans, the club is the be all and end all, and exclusion is a pretty big thing. I'm not saying they should not face legal action as well, just that the impact of the clubs response should not be underestimated.
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So did a Muslim walking around the city center in Milan.

Whats your point? Why bring that into a thread about football hooliganism, when it is clearly unrelated? Its almost as if there is an agenda at play.

You can dismiss it as people jumping on the media bandwagon and other such bluff, But im actually glad. Had nothing been said, these guys would never have been identified and the message would not be communicated, that this is not acceptable behavior. If there was no furore, it is unlikely Mourinho would have called these guys an embarrassment to the club.

You can say this is an irrelevant thing, but to a lot of football hooligans, the club is the be all and end all, and exclusion is a pretty big thing. I'm not saying they should not face legal action as well, just that the impact of the clubs response should not be underestimated.
Are your reading comprehension skills that poor? Or are you just a bit of a thicko? Perhaps you're that dim and you really do think it's some big Jewish conspiracy?

To spell it out for you, I posted an article about Paris, which would you believe, is the exact same city where this incident took place. Not Milan. Not Italy. Not Timbuktu.
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Are your reading comprehension skills that poor? Or are you just a bit of a thicko? Perhaps you're that dim and you really do think it's some big Jewish conspiracy?

To spell it out for you, I posted an article about Paris, which would you believe, is the exact same city where this incident took place. Not Milan. Not Italy. Not Timbuktu.
I appear to have touched a nerve. Always fun.

The two incidents share very little other than geography. My point was that one was engineered specifically to find racism, which can be found anywhere. The Incident on the Paris metro was not one such incident. This is the reason why the story you mentioned got no media traction - because it's no Surprise that racism can be found if you go out looking for it.

The metro is not one place where you expect to find such brazen racism, and that is why it got media traction. Do I need to explain further or has that message finally hit home? Perhaps I can go through it slower for your benefit? I can use brightly coloured drawings, and be extra careful not to use words with more then three syllables, if it benefits you?

Big Jewish conspiracy? lol.
can we get back to the discussion, now that you've had your adorable little tantrum?
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So many people standing there and doing nothing.

doing WHAT exactly ? On the Video I quite to the contrary see angry people LEAVING the train
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Old 21.02.2015, 04:35
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Well someone did something, the English guy took a video of them and sent it the press. The only other thing that anyone could have done was to lead the black guy away. Confrontation here could have ended very badly.

A superb Action indeed. But I for example do not have a camera with me usually when Boarding S-Trains etc


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I admire the Swift reaction of the camera-man. Most People understandably were surprised by what went on in less than 3 minutes --- some simply left the Train in disgust and anger

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A superb Action indeed. But I for example do not have a camera with me usually when Boarding S-Trains etc
Wolli, you are perhaps the only person in the Western hemisphere not to carry a mobile phone.
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Re: Chelsea fans in Paris Metro racist incident.

The victim, Souleyman S a french-mauritian national, did not tell his family what happened that day in the subway: he is confronted daily with racism and couldn't tell his kids and wife that he was pushed back because he is black.
The number of reactions in this thread going in the direction of "racism..so what?" is worrisome. By resigning we encourage and become accomplice of those crimes. The big media hype is finally salutary and next time those racists will think twice before insulting a person.
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