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Old 26.03.2015, 16:24
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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There's a part of me right now that, when entering a plane, wants to greet each pilot individually, ask them how they're doing and tell them how much I appreciate their work.
Indeed plus a short test to determine their mental state, maybe an Epstein Mental Health Inventory?
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Old 26.03.2015, 16:29
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If a member of the cabin crew went into the cockpit before the pilot left surely this could have been avoided?
Not necessarily. If the pilot was so motivated to do this, he could probably assault/knock out any other crew member that came into the cockpit.

One good question raised by a CNN anchor talking to an "expert" - If the co-pilot was deliberately set on destroying the airplane, why bother to make a controlled (if rapid) descent? Why not just nose-down and be done with it? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Folks can we please remember to include rough translations with the walls of German or French text you're plastering up here? Thanks.
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Old 26.03.2015, 16:29
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Who else would have done it?
Only other option is a case of mistaken identity i.e. it was the Captain.
The CVR will allow for the individual to be identified.


The FDR is not going to identify who was flying the plane, all it can do is indicate from which side (Captain or Co-pilot) the instructions came from.

before ruining a dead guys reputation for eternity, and making his families life a living hell for the foreseeable future they should be 100% absolutely sure, to me this mean checking that by some fluke he didn't have some kind of fit, hit one button by accident then pass out (or some other improbable accident in the cockpit) the fdr will show if he pressed a sequence of buttons in the correct order, so no doubt, or pressed loads of random buttons mid fit that just so happened to cause this.
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Old 26.03.2015, 16:32
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Yes, that's the normal process. A member of the cabin crew must go into the cockpit.
Sigh. No it's not. It is in US, apparently.

And it's not a panacea. There are also disgruntled cabin crew. And there's an axe in the cockpit.
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Old 26.03.2015, 16:35
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One good question raised by a CNN anchor talking to an "expert" - If the co-pilot was deliberately set on destroying the airplane, why bother to make a controlled (if rapid) descent?
a) So that no-one would notice.

b) So that he wouldn't hit any population center.

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Old 26.03.2015, 16:36
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Yesterday !I few back from my vacation , the action of this Co pilot was not known at the time . Every time I leave the airplane I thank the crew ,if I would have known I would give theme all Hug


Sad day for the employees of the aviation industry
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Old 26.03.2015, 16:38
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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before ruining a dead guys reputation for eternity, and making his families life a living hell for the foreseeable future they should be 100% absolutely sure, to me this mean checking that by some fluke he didn't have some kind of fit, hit one button by accident then pass out (or some other improbable accident in the cockpit) the fdr will show if he pressed a sequence of buttons in the correct order, so no doubt, or pressed loads of random buttons mid fit that just so happened to cause this.
They've already said that he needed to do several rotations (of which ever control was used) in order to select the altitude he chose to descend to, and that it couldn't have happened just by being knocked.
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Old 26.03.2015, 16:47
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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a) So that no-one would notice.

b) So that he wouldn't hit any population center.
Okay, I see what you're saying but I still have to scratch my head at the whole thing. So he thought he was being noble or something by not hitting a city but instead "only" killing another 149 people?
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Old 26.03.2015, 16:48
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a) So that no-one would notice.

b) So that he wouldn't hit any population center.

Tom
b) so assuming he did this on purpose (I am not ready to convict yet), killing people on the ground crossed some line for him? Do tell how you made that mental leap. Wait. on further reflection, please don't.
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Old 26.03.2015, 16:49
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a) So that no-one would notice.

b) So that he wouldn't hit any population center.

Tom

re b he killed all his passengers, so saving lives wasn't high on his list of priorities
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Old 26.03.2015, 16:52
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

So who is Andrea Lubitz?

I know that grief is the pain of loving, but when children die it's just too much. I wish that there was some way to share the grief of these parents.
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Old 26.03.2015, 16:55
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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before ruining a dead guys reputation for eternity, and making his families life a living hell for the foreseeable future they should be 100% absolutely sure, to me this mean checking that by some fluke he didn't have some kind of fit, hit one button by accident then pass out (or some other improbable accident in the cockpit) the fdr will show if he pressed a sequence of buttons in the correct order, so no doubt, or pressed loads of random buttons mid fit that just so happened to cause this.
I don't think this is a case of mud sticking, if they did find out that he had some sort of fit then everyone would gladly jump on that theory because the alternative is still too awful to contemplate. In addition Lufthansa would not have given a press conference unless they were 100% sure of their facts, so they must have access to additional information not yet in the public domain.

Like others my sympathies go out to the co-pilot's family. A few hours ago they were the grieving family of one of the crash victims, but now everything has turned upside-down.
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Old 26.03.2015, 16:57
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

c) Perhaps he thought it might place enough doubt in an investigation to make it look like an accident.

It's pointless even trying to get into his mind. If he did do it deliberately then, unless there's a note of some sort, we're never going to know why or when he decided to take his life and those he was responsible for.

It's natural to want answers, but as the Irish poet once wrote, "[We] can see no reasons, 'cos there are no reasons...". It's an unreasonable act.
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Old 26.03.2015, 17:02
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Can we please have a news ban on the publicity of the victims until the loved ones of the deceased allow the ban to be lifted. We don't need to hear gory details. We should not be showing the loved ones on TV, get the cameras away.
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Old 26.03.2015, 17:18
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b) so assuming he did this on purpose (I am not ready to convict yet), killing people on the ground crossed some line for him? Do tell how you made that mental leap. Wait. on further reflection, please don't.
Hitting a city would have made it look like a terror attack.

Slowly crashing into a mountain makes it look like an accident.

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Old 26.03.2015, 17:21
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

I can only assume he was just waiting for he captain to bugger off out of the cockpit, its just sheer luck he did so over the alps and not over a city.
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I can only assume he was just waiting for he captain to bugger off out of the cockpit, its just sheer luck he did so over the alps and not over a city.
From what I can gather it was a linear, shallow descent controlled by the flight computer. I'm thinking he made the adjustments, put his head back and closed his eyes not knowing or caring where the plane would end up.
It could just as easily have hit a busy marketplace in a small village given that the input was made 8 minutes prior.
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Can we please have a news ban on the publicity of the victims until the loved ones of the deceased allow the ban to be lifted. We don't need to hear gory details. We should not be showing the loved ones on TV, get the cameras away.
Turn off the telly, pass over the pictures.

They only broadcast and publish them because people want to look at them.
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Old 26.03.2015, 18:31
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Turn off the telly, pass over the pictures.

They only broadcast and publish them because people want to look at them.

I am no "people" , then
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Is it just me or is anyone else also wondering that with the advances in the technology why don't they equip the black box with videos AND sound?! Does anyone know why this is not possible? Or a live video feedback sent to a centre and kept for 12 hours after a flight so that they can go back and check things appropriately.I mean for a smallish fee you can now get live internet in some airplanes and skype or facetime with family while flying; why on earth can't they do better than this? You would think we can move forward from the good old black box; no?
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