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Old 28.03.2015, 13:03
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Of course, clearly, if Blick states it in their highly sophisticated report, then it is obviously true.
It you who always quotes Blick when you want to show a minor shooting in Switzerland in response to a post about a much more serious shooting in the U.S.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

It was Bild, not Blick:

And again, the article I cited (which apparently nobody will bother to read) clarifies the axe question:
"German newspaper Bild yesterday reported that he had attempted to use an axe, and a Germanwings spokesman confirmed that such a tool was on board the aircraft.

"But it emerged last night that the only axe on the plane would have been in the cockpit, meaning it was out of reach of the captain."
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So the hospital statement is a lie then?
One unnamed clinic (not a hospital) in Dusseldorf stated that he wasn't treated there for depression or mental illness:
"A clinic in Dusseldorf issued a statement yesterday saying that Lubitz had undergone treatment and ‘diagnostic evaluation’ with them for six weeks ending on March 10 but this had not been related to depression or mental illness."
That only covers their treatment. No medical institution has stated unequivocally that he didn't suffer from depression or mental illness. In fact, his employer and others who knew him described him as suffering from depression. It's all in the article that nobody here is reading (ostensibly in order to pretend there's not enough information for anybody to know anything).
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Old 28.03.2015, 13:15
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It was Bild, not Blick.

And again, the article I cited (which apparently nobody will bother to read) clarifies the axe question:
"German newspaper Bild yesterday reported that he had attempted to use an axe, and a Germanwings spokesman confirmed that such a tool was on board the aircraft.

"But it emerged last night that the only axe on the plane would have been in the cockpit, meaning it was out of reach of the captain."
Oh so, the captain took out the ax then?
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Old 28.03.2015, 13:16
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Am I the only one to think, that there is absolutely too little information available in order to determine what really had happened on that plane?



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Old 28.03.2015, 13:22
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Oh so, the captain took out the ax then?
For everyone suffering today (for whatever reason) from poor reading comprehension skills: The captain had no access to the axe. It was stored in the cockpit that he was locked out of. It "was out of reach of the captain."

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Old 28.03.2015, 13:24
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Known is
> he blocked the Cockpit entry
> he re-programmed the Autopilot to a destination of 30 m
> he gave full power to two engines


Not clear, in spite of all the reports and all the rumours is WHY


Clear is that he became guilty of the murder of 149 People


Obvious is that he is a 100% German and not of Arab or Kurdish or Turkish or Kosovari origin. I do not care about all that Psycho Business. But I imagine how it would have been in the media had he been of 50% Algerian or Egyptian origin. FACT is that he was/is a murderer







You forgot Canada ,now I am upset Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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Old 28.03.2015, 13:27
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Everyone (germanwings, Airbus, pilots) confirmed that there is always an axe and crowbar (size adpated to airplanes) in a plane. Blick came up with the "information" that the pilot tried to break the door with the axe. Blick said it had the information from someone in the investigation team.

My hypotheses: you can clearly hear the pilot shouting from the recording and the bang of the axe on the door.
The microphones in the cockpit are of very good quality therefore a lot of details can be found from the audio. The crash investigators are experts and can get a lot from that piece of audio. Sometimes they even reconstruct the whole environment to generate and compare the data.
What nonsense! The axe is INSIDE the secure cockpit!! What would be the point in stoping people boarding an aircraft carrying a pair of tweezers if there was an axe in the cabin accessible to passengers 😱
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Old 28.03.2015, 13:33
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

That's exactly what I mean. There are so many unanswered questions...was he using an ax, who used an ax. Was the ax outside of the cockpit? Was an ax actually used or was it a tray table?
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Old 28.03.2015, 13:35
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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What nonsense! The axe is INSIDE the secure cockpit!! What would be the point in stoping people boarding an aircraft carrying a pair of tweezers if there was an axe in the cabin accessible to passengers 😱
So German Bild newspaper was lying then - well at least we got to the bottom of that.
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Old 28.03.2015, 13:36
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Amazing what they can deduce from just a voice recording , what was the person in row 16 seat b doing at the time
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Old 28.03.2015, 13:37
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Sorry to keep asking stupid questions about the axe - I am just wondering what the axe is for (in the cockpit) - obviously not to break out because tha airlines know that it is not possible.
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Amazing what they can deduce from just a voice recording , what was the person in row 16 seat b doing at the time
Playing with his tommy tank of course.
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Old 28.03.2015, 13:38
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Why are we discussing axes? Has any official release mentioned an axe?
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Why are we discussing axes?
Don't ax me!
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Why are we discussing axes? Has any official release mentioned an axe?
Well, a lot of other not so factual stuff has been discussed, so why not axe gate?
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Old 28.03.2015, 13:45
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Axe, fire extinguisher, food trolley etc.. why does it actually matter? The fact is the Captain was deliberately locked out and tried his damnedest to re-enter the cockpit and take control.

Journalists, especially tabloid ones always love to embellish a story, but the underlying facts remain the same, there were two deliberate actions by Lubitz designed to crash the plane.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Exactly... the crash axe is located behind the Co pilot on the aft wall. There isn't an axe in the public cabin area.

many years ago aer lingus had a second crash axe installed in the aft lh overhead luggage bin marked crew only which has since been long removed
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Old 28.03.2015, 13:52
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Well, a lot of other not so factual stuff has been discussed, so why not axe gate?
Fair enough, but when it gets to the stage where people are suggesting the captain must have taken the FD axe to the toilet with him, it gets a bit ludicrous.

You can't discredit the official reports by making stuff up and debunking it.

I think what happened is fairly cut and dried. What the CVR can't do is say why. And we'll probably never know the motive.
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Axe, fire extinguisher, food trolley etc.. why does it actually matter? The fact is the Captain was deliberately locked out and tried his damnedest to re-enter the cockpit and take control.

Journalists, especially tabloid ones always love to embellish a story, but the underlying facts remain the same, there were two deliberate actions by Lubitz designed to crash the plane.
Why does it matter? because the truth is out there but a long long way from being uncovered but as is he case in all air crah investigations, every sequence of events will be attempted to be put back together . Whilst irresponsible journalists publish pure fabrication as `fact` - it just serves to cloud the whole issue. As you rightly say - they love to embellish stories just to create new angles.
Anway - just did a quick google search and found this on www.skybrary.aero
Fire/crash axe/crowbar. Fire axes were provided to obtain emergency access to areas and parts of the airplane which are not easily accessible (e.g. behind sidewall, electrical or ceiling panels). The handle is insulated to protect against electric shock. In the past, fire axes might be found in the flight deck and in the passenger cabin but on most carriers, in compliance with anti-terrorism regulations and procedures, axes are no longer carried and have been replaced by insulated crowbars in the passenger/cargo compartment.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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That's exactly what I mean. There are so many unanswered questions...was he using an ax, who used an ax. Was the ax outside of the cockpit? Was an ax actually used or was it a tray table?
There are more answers than you're apparently willing to consider. There's no value added to a thread like this by deliberately abandoning all logic and problem-solving skills, and throwing up absurd questions to needlessly cloud matters up.
  • The only axe onboard is stored inside the cockpit, where the co-pilot was sitting quietly.
  • The captain could not have been using an axe because it was stored in the cockpit that he was locked out of (and German pilots don't customarily take axes with them on potty breaks - any more).
  • At some point towards the end of the cockpit recording, the captain is heard shouting from outside the door and apparently striking it (but not with an axe - see above).
  • So nobody used an axe (see above).
These, and many other interesting details, based on statements from a variety of sources, are addressed, clarified and corrected in some article somewhere, but I'm not providing the link again, because it's obviously a waste of my time here.
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