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Old 26.03.2015, 10:49
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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I would have called someone to say goodbye.
Assuming that you had a signal.
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Old 26.03.2015, 10:50
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Meh, French, American, principle remains the same.
Excepting your earlier post was having a good knock at the French:

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Jolly good form of the French authorities to help fuel speculation by leaking details of the cockpit voice recordings within hours of extracting them. Must have been taking lessons from the British police. And about 20k from the press of course.
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Old 26.03.2015, 10:56
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Excepting your earlier post was having a good knock at the French:
Not at all. I just assumed they'd passed on the info, read it again, if anything I was having a knock at the British police.

Though normally I wouldn't pass on the opportunity to knock the French .
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Old 26.03.2015, 10:57
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

I wonder if phone memories would survive the crash? I assume people would have filmed a pilot kicking a door for 8 minutes!
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

That's what I'm thinking.....

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I wonder if phone memories would survive the crash? I assume people would have filmed a pilot kicking a door for 8 minutes!
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Old 26.03.2015, 10:59
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I wonder if phone memories would survive the crash? I assume people would have filmed a pilot kicking a door for 8 minutes!
Surely within 8 minutes the pilot and some passengers could have gotten through that door. I'm no expert, but they've never looked that sturdy to me.
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Old 26.03.2015, 11:07
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

There is one very big assumption that's been made here, and that is that is was one of the pilots hammering on the door.

IME I've yet to see one of the flight crew leave the flightdeck on a short haul flight.
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Old 26.03.2015, 11:08
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Here's a hopefully interesting youtube video link of the airbus cockpit door procedures

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixEHV7c3VXs
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Old 26.03.2015, 11:10
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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IME I've yet to see one of the flight crew leave the flightdeck on a short haul flight.

Of course they do. Pissing into an empty coffee cup is so 80s.
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Old 26.03.2015, 11:13
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There is one very big assumption that's been made here, and that is that is was one of the pilots hammering on the door.

IME I've yet to see one of the flight crew leave the flightdeck on a short haul flight.
Apparently on the CVR you can hear one pilot leaving the flight deck.. then trying to get back in later…. but silence from the other crew member.

However, if the pilot hadn't left the flight deck, and someone else was trying to get in, you would think that the crew would have reported the problem to ATC, talked to each other and continued to fly, not just gone into a controlled descent towards the mountains.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Surely within 8 minutes the pilot and some passengers could have gotten through that door. I'm no expert, but they've never looked that sturdy to me.
Since 9/11 the doors are armored.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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There is one very big assumption that's been made here, and that is that is was one of the pilots hammering on the door.

IME I've yet to see one of the flight crew leave the flightdeck on a short haul flight.
It happens, even pilots go to the lavatory.
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Old 26.03.2015, 11:38
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Since 9/11 the doors are armored.
Worldwide? Or just in the States? Was every plane retrofitted after 9/11?

I think I remember there were some discussions after MH 370 went missing where questions were posed as to what would happen if the pilots were to lock themselves into the cockpit. What could be done etc.
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Old 26.03.2015, 11:53
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Worldwide? Or just in the States? Was every plane retrofitted after 9/11?.
World wide.
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Old 26.03.2015, 11:57
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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However, if the pilot hadn't left the flight deck, and someone else was trying to get in, you would think that the crew would have reported the problem to ATC, talked to each other and continued to fly, not just gone into a controlled descent towards the mountains.
Unless they were both incapacitated...
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

The co-pilot, who Germanwings is refusing to identify, lived in Montabaur, Rheinland-Pfalz with his parents, and also in Düsseldorf. He was employed by Germanwings since Sept 2013, all according to Bild.de.

20Min.ch writes that the locking out of the pilot from the cockpit suggests suicide by the co-pilot.

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The nationality of the co-pilot is unknown, according to investigators in France, per stern.de. Lufthansa has issued statements about the pilot but not the co-pilot.

10.39 Uhr Co-Pilot kam aus Montabaur

Der Co-Pilot der in Frankreich verunglückten Germanwings-Maschine stammte aus Montabaur in Rheinland-Pfalz. Das sagte die Stadtbürgermeisterin Gabriele Wieland (CDU) am Donnerstag der Deutschen Presse-Agentur. Er habe bei seinen Eltern in Montabaur gewohnt und habe auch einen Wohnsitz in Düsseldorf gehabt.

10.36 Uhr Namen der Piloten werden nicht veröffentlicht
@ksenijapavlovic We will not release any of the names, not only due to data protection but above all to honor their privacy. MB
— Germanwings (@germanwings) 26. März 2015
08.42 Uhr Welche Erfahrung hatte der Copilot?

Laut einer Sprecherin der Lufthansa war der Copilot der in Frankreich abgestürzten Germanwings-Maschine seit September 2013 für die Fluggesellschaft tätig. Er habe 630 Flugstunden absolviert. Vor der Anstellung sei der Mann an der Verkehrsfliegerschule der Lufthansa, der Muttergesellschaft von Germanwings, in Bremen zum Piloten ausgebildet worden.

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"Am Donnerstagmorgen gab die Lufthansa bekannt, dass der Co-Pilot an Bord der Maschine erst seit September 2013 für Germanwings tätig war. Er habe 630 Flugstunden absolviert. Vor der Anstellung sei der Mann an der Verkehrsfliegerschule der Lufthansa in Bremen zum Piloten ausgebildet worden. Laut Ermittlerkreisen in Frankreich ist die Nationalität des Co-Piloten unbekannt. Die Lufthansa äußerte sich dazu nicht.
Bislang waren nur Angaben zum Flugkapitän gemacht worden, nicht aber zum Co-Piloten. Der Flugkapitän war seit über zehn Jahren für Lufthansa und Germanwings geflogen und hatte auf dem Unglücksmodell mehr als 6000 Flugstunden absolviert."

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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Thanks for the inside info


Would that emergency access code not defeat the objective of security? What would stop a hijacker from forcing one of the crew to provide the code?


Is there a way someone (one of the pilots / crew member) in the cockpit could prevent the emergency access code from opening the door?
As on the last line allowed or denied. On the central pedestal is the door lock switch. Someone enters an access code. The cockpit crew then can select unlock. If they choose to select lock then it stays closed.
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Surely within 8 minutes the pilot and some passengers could have gotten through that door. I'm no expert, but they've never looked that sturdy to me.
Not a chance
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Unless they were both incapacitated...
So both pilots are incapacitated and a terrorist is banging on the cockpit door??
That makes no sense at all!
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Bearing in mind that the CVR contents still haven't been released yet, this is all speculation still.

I think if I were a pilot, knowing how secure the FD door is, I'd be trying to cause some sort of decompression as a last ditch "do or die" effort to open the door.

Apparently you can do that with a bottle of water or some marmite.
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