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the BATTLE OF YEMEN

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/kt-artic...ion=middleeast
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the report shows that Turkey is supporting Saudi Arabia


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Egyptian Naval and Aerial Forces have joined Saudi Arabia in its fight to Keep Iran out of the Arabian peninsula


http://www.khaleejtimes.com/kt-artic...ion=middleeast


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and also, in a quite unprecedented way, the Hashemite Kingdom joined the KSA in order to keep Iran out of Arab lands


http://www.khaleejtimes.com/kt-artic...ion=middleeast


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Interesting times; another proxy war like Syria.

Let us wait and see Russian comments
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Interesting times; another proxy war like Syria.

Let us wait and see Russian comments

No, far more complicated. Russia is allied with both Iran AND the Arab states. They will try to persuade Iran to call back the pro Iranian militias but in this will fail. There will be an urgent session of the Arab League tomorrow. It will rather result in a pro Saudi Action of Morocco (already anonounced) and Algeria. Turkey in a shrewd move has gone into alliance with the Arab World, proving again that Mr Erdogan is a master tactician
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No, far more complicated. Russia is allied with both Iran AND the Arab states. They will try to persuade Iran to call back the pro Iranian militias but in this will fail. There will be an urgent session of the Arab League tomorrow. It will rather result in a pro Saudi Action of Morocco (already anonounced) and Algeria. Turkey in a shrewd move has gone into alliance with the Arab World, proving again that Mr Erdogan is a master tactician
Interesting article here in the ft (you may need to be a subscriber )

Article focuses more on the Shia/Sunni divide than Wolli would like to hear.

Erdogan is a clever guy but the situation is rapidly changing and evolving. Erdogan will need to keep alert simply to stay up with what is happening rather than leading what is happening which is his real ambition.

Interesting that Egypt claims to be committing military to the Yemen actions; probably Erdogan will have to do more than making positive statements to remain credible - I mean like also sending in the Turkish military.

Otherwise the other partners will not take Erdogan seriously?
How that meshes in with Turkey's NATO obligations I have no clue.
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Interesting article here in the ft (you may need to be a subscriber )

Article focuses more on the Shia/Sunni divide than Wolli would like to hear.

Erdogan is a clever guy but the situation is rapidly changing and evolving. Erdogan will need to keep alert simply to stay up with what is happening rather than leading what is happening which is his real ambition.

Interesting that Egypt claims to be committing military to the Yemen actions; probably Erdogan will have to do more than making positive statements to remain credible - I mean like also sending in the Turkish military.

Otherwise the other partners will not take Erdogan seriously?
How that meshes in with Turkey's NATO obligations I have no clue.

Erdogan has taken sides with the Arab World in order to save Turkish Commercial interests. Marshal as-Sisi is very much his rival in the Region, and geographically at an Advantage- The Egyptian Navy can operate out of Red Sea seaports directly .


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The inventory of the ARE Air Force


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tian_Air_Force


reveals a lack of really active airplanes but the Stretch from Egypt to Yemen is no Problem for eighter the F-16 or the MIG-23


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Back to the Soviet Union, I mean the Russian Federation, Egypt is far more interesting for the Russians than Iran as Egypt is on the Med and is in the centre. After the defacto loss of both Iraq and Syria, Russia depends on Egypt and Algeria quite heavily

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Erdogan has taken sides with the Arab World in order to save Turkish Commercial interests. Marshal as-Sisi is very much his rival in the Region, and geographically at an Advantage- The Egyptian Navy can operate out of Red Sea seaports directly .


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The inventory of the ARE Air Force


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tian_Air_Force


reveals a lack of really active airplanes but the Stretch from Egypt to Yemen is no Problem for eighter the F-16 or the MIG-23


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Back to the Soviet Union, I mean the Russian Federation, Egypt is far more interesting for the Russians than Iran as Egypt is on the Med and is in the centre. After the defacto loss of both Iraq and Syria, Russia depends on Egypt and Algeria quite heavily
About "Erdogan has taken sides with the Arab World in order to save Turkish Commercial interests."
Erdogan has a difficult balancing act. Turkey trade with Iran is around $30 Billion per year so he wants to preserve that.
But I assume the Arab world will not take him seriously as a partner if he just talks and does not commit forces.
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"So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people - greedy, barbarous, and cruel."
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Interesting that Egypt claims to be committing military to the Yemen actions; probably Erdogan will have to do more than making positive statements to remain credible - I mean like also sending in the Turkish military.

Otherwise the other partners will not take Erdogan seriously?
How that meshes in with Turkey's NATO obligations I have no clue.
I don't think that's difficult for him. There were so many military coups in Turkeys past that they are a topic category with own overview page in Wikipedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...oups_in_Turkey

It's not exactly a secret that quite some generals of the (very powerful) military are the strongest opposition he has in his country. Sending armies to war makes generals usually happy as sad as this is... I think they'd also love to roll over ISIS if Erdogan would only let them.

So giving them some action might keep them politically in control as well as keeping them busy and happy...
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I don't think that's difficult for him. There were so many military coups in Turkeys past that they are a topic category with own overview page in Wikipedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...oups_in_Turkey

It's not exactly a secret that quite some generals of the (very powerful) military are the strongest opposition he has in his country. Sending armies to war makes generals usually happy as sad as this is... I think they'd also love to roll over ISIS if Erdogan would only let them.

So giving them some action might keep them politically in control as well as keeping them busy and happy...
Yes, probably a good idea to send the military away with the elections coming in mid year.
Erdogan is now passing (or trying to pass) a series of laws cracking down on the opposition including;
  • "locking up anybody for 48 hours",
  • "police allowed to shoot "threatening" demonstrators",
  • "closing down internet sites without due process"
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Re: the BATTLE OF YEMEN

Hardly a battle.
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Re: the BATTLE OF YEMEN

Having read so many books on the 67 & 73 aerial campaigns which featured Egypt, Jordan, Syria and to a lesser degree Iraq, I for one find it strange to read about a campaign in the Middle East that doesn't have Israel involved.

Not sure how this will pan out, but does this finally mean that Saudi Arabia is actually doing something rather than just hosting allied forces?
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About "Erdogan has taken sides with the Arab World in order to save Turkish Commercial interests."
Erdogan has a difficult balancing act. Turkey trade with Iran is around $30 Billion per year so he wants to preserve that.
But I assume the Arab world will not take him seriously as a partner if he just talks and does not commit forces.

Turkey's trade with the Arab World is heavier than the one with Iran. Iran and Egypt at the other Hand are the two most important competitors of Turkey in regard to industrial exports. In regard to Yemen, Turkey had to take a stand
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Hardly a battle.

Far worse, it is to be a war


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India sends ships to evacuate Indian workers out of Yemen


http://www.khaleejtimes.com/kt-artic...ion=middleeast


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Having read so many books on the 67 & 73 aerial campaigns which featured Egypt, Jordan, Syria and to a lesser degree Iraq, I for one find it strange to read about a campaign in the Middle East that doesn't have Israel involved.

Not sure how this will pan out, but does this finally mean that Saudi Arabia is actually doing something rather than just hosting allied forces?

A) Saudi Arabia has heavily upgraded its armed forces in the past two decades
B) It is not the first case the KSA got into Yemen. Emir Faisal, the later King, in the mid 30ies led a KSA army into Yemen and approached Aden. Britain forced King Abdul-Aziz as-Sa'ud to call back his son, BUT the Brits had to allow the KSA to Annex the Yemeni ASIR province
C) Israel not involved ? Just as in the Jordan Action against ISIS, Jordan can only act on the Basis of a Kind of Non-Aggression-Pact with Israel
D) The Egyptian Air Force in the 1980ies, with Anwar es-Sadat as president and General Hosni Mubarak the CIC, attacked Libya successfully when Khaddafi tried to create mischief
E) There are areas in the Hadramaut, at present part of Yemen, which are claimed by the KSA.






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The Arab Summit in Sharm-el-Sheikh


http://www.khaleejtimes.com/kt-artic...ion=middleeast


paved the way for a co-ordinated action by the Arab League in regard to the mess in Yemen and against Iran

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