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Xenophobia in south africa

After a lovely weekend in London, my little bromance with the police yesterday, now some appalling news comes to my humble attention.

If you have been watching African news lately, like I seldom do, the hottest topic is Xenophobia looming in some Johannesburg region of South Africa, espeically around the Durban rural areas. Apparently some South Africans in these regions accuse immigrants of "stealing their jobs". Unemployment rate is 24%

5 People were burnt alive. In 2008 about 62 people were killed as Xenophobic attacks swept across South Africa.

I have never been pissed in my life than watching men, women and children burnt alive, and some SAfricans telling the Journalist what they will do with the knives and matchets they holding " We will chase them ( immigrants) and cut off their heads from their bodies"

African leaders were slow to act, yet some paid first class flights to go and March in Paris. It took 2-3 days for SA Jacob Zuma to respond, same as it took almost 12 hrs for police to arrive at the shooting scene in Kenya.

Some Africans are very quick to blame all their demise on the West and the rest while they forget to see the mess in their own homes.

I remember Zuma's leadership was called into question after his state of the nation address and he responded by saying that his critics should stop playing the man and start playing the ball ( whatever this meant). He kept on stating that South Africa was on the right track, unemployment is going down quality of life is improving. In his own words, "South Africa is a success story" but deep within me I could still resent my experience in that country. Did he know he was raring baboons in some remote areas of his country? Till date he has not even made a statement and yet we blame the Western world for showing solidarity to their own mishaps?

Well, this sort of thing benefits Zuma. The ANC has become what always happens to parties that don't have effective opposition: ineffective, lazy, low-grade corrupt, and unresponsive to the people. Every moment South Africans are attacking Zimbabweans is a moment they don't say, "hmmm... maybe we can do better than Zuma."

What a bunch of uncouth baboons, racoons, in short in Captain Haddock's own curses:

Blistering Barnacles, blackamoor, baboons, bloodsuckers, brats, brigands, brutes, buccaneers, Cannibals, Crooks, Dogs, Filibusters, Gangsters, Miserable earth worms, misguided missles, monster, Vandals, Vipers, Wildcats, Zapotecs


http://www.newsweek.com/south-africa...attacks-322625

http://ewn.co.za/2015/04/16/Peace-ma...-in-Durban-CBD

http://www.euronews.com/2015/04/16/s...in-xenophobia/
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Re: Xenophobia in south africa

If they drive the immigrants out, there'll be even fewer jobs to be had because none of the "protesters" will be able to make a go of it. If they could they'd already be in competition with them.
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Re: Xenophobia in south africa

Some of the footage i have seen is horrific! How a human being can do things like that to another is beyond me!

I just received this...not sure how true it is...
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Re: Xenophobia in south africa

They keep on blaming historical monuments for their own self inflicted misery resulting from mismanagement and inability to work together for better South Africa. What exactly has this government achieved over 20 years post apartheid in terms of poverty uplifting and improving everyone's life. Blame Eskom for the past? Lack of education and the lowest matrix rate since decade? Poor Zimbabweans deprived of their own economy by another lunatic are trying to make a living and are in fact building SA's economy. If you blame the foreigners or anyone for that matter just because you are jealous of their skills and that they are doing better job than you trying to make a living, then it must be something fundamentally wrong with this world. Welcome to another planet of apes.
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Re: Xenophobia in south africa

Oh how ironic considering the history of oppression by the people doing the killing.

As the third world becomes more and more overpopulated and emigration numbers skyrocket the world is going to take 10 steps back before we take one forward.
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What a bunch of uncouth baboons, racoons, in short in Captain Haddock's own curses:

Blistering Barnacles, blackamoor, baboons, bloodsuckers, brats, brigands, brutes, buccaneers, Cannibals, Crooks, Dogs, Filibusters, Gangsters, Miserable earth worms, misguided missles, monster, Vandals, Vipers, Wildcats, Zapotecs
How gratifying to see South African xenophobia replaced by expatriate racism.


Why do you keep capitalising xenophobia, by the way? is it some sort of rare disease named after its discoverer?

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Re: Xenophobia in south africa

Please look at a map or revise your original text. Durban and Johannesburg are seperate cities.

This has been going on for years ut is being picked up by international media. Last time I was there they did a bit of ethnic cleansing and killed 50 malawians and burnt them alive in the huts because they were 'stealing jobs'. SA is going rapidly downhill in the new south Africa especially with the black empowerment policies
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Re: Xenophobia in south africa

They had a Nigerian shop keeper in jo'burg on the radio this morning (who sounded very much like a Felix Dexter character, i digress) but he had a great comment, saying this is not xenophobia its just lazy people who are jealous.
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Re: Xenophobia in south africa

I was 2008 in Cape Town. Mugabe going crayz, Zim Dollar was going through the roof, that there was not enough space on the price tag, and many Zim's trying there luck in ZA.

One thing I have seen all over the place, was that the immigrants, where creative, open minded and determined to make a better life in the new country.

They produced crafts and arts, where selling nick nacks on the street.

On the other hand, just too many of South Africans rely on the money and goodwil by the ANC. I have seen poorer countries then ZA where people made more out of their life. As this is the voting base of the ANC, we wont see any change or a more competent president then I-showered-and-eat-roots Zuma.
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Re: Xenophobia in south africa

They were exactly on the same situation some 20 years ago. Yet they do exactly the same or even worst evil things to those migrants, most of them who has no were to go. And they attack mainly other black Africans the same people who fought their fight as their own and who stood by them until the end of Apartheid. It always surprise me how human could get as evil as we are seeing these days. For me the South Africans who burnt their fellow Africans alive are Exactly the same as ISIS and other cruel terrorists the only difference is police were there when this crimes were committed

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Please look at a map or revise your original text. Durban and Johannesburg are seperate cities.

This has been going on for years ut is being picked up by international media. Last time I was there they did a bit of ethnic cleansing and killed 50 malawians and burnt them alive in the huts because they were 'stealing jobs'. SA is going rapidly downhill in the new south Africa especially with the black empowerment policies

And sadly it is not only in SA, but all over the continent, just because they are all African doesn't mean they all get along. Just as there is a lot of anti-eastern European sentiment in the West of Europe. Humans are just a pathetic species, pushed by propaganda and the tribal (this is not meant in a racist way) mentality of nationalism. I don't think its the "black empowerment" policies, but the huge amount of corruption, especially since the powerful intellect that was lost when Mandela passed away, now seems gone and long forgotten.
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Re: Xenophobia in south africa

I think it's also the question of the crabs in the bucket. Every time one crab is about to climb out of the bucket the other crabs pull him back.

In a continent which is predominately poor, if you get one region which manages, be it through luck or hard work, to get a little bit richer than the others, you get poor from the other regions flocking there trying to get a piece of the cake and so bringing that place back to the poverty from which it might otherwise have had a chance of rising.
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Please look at a map or revise your original text. Durban and Johannesburg are seperate cities.

This has been going on for years ut is being picked up by international media. Last time I was there they did a bit of ethnic cleansing and killed 50 malawians and burnt them alive in the huts because they were 'stealing jobs'. SA is going rapidly downhill in the new south Africa especially with the black empowerment policies
My thanks to original post for bringing this topic up on the EF. Not for exchanging xenophobia for outward racist comments.

Last time I worked in predominantly BEE company near Wits in JHB in 2008, I could live with strange policies and understand that some people need to catch up with more progressive - it's evolution and it takes some time. However, if the human being's life is so meaningless in TIA's (quoted from "Blood Diamond")reality then there is no point of staying there.

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After a lovely weekend in London, my little bromance with the police yesterday, now some appalling news comes to my humble attention.

If you have been watching African news lately, like I seldom do, the hottest topic is Xenophobia looming in some Johannesburg region of South Africa, espeically around the Durban rural areas. Apparently some South Africans in these regions accuse immigrants of "stealing their jobs". Unemployment rate is 24%

5 People were burnt alive. In 2008 about 62 people were killed as Xenophobic attacks swept across South Africa.

I have never been pissed in my life than watching men, women and children burnt alive, and some SAfricans telling the Journalist what they will do with the knives and matchets they holding " We will chase them ( immigrants) and cut off their heads from their bodies"

African leaders were slow to act, yet some paid first class flights to go and March in Paris. It took 2-3 days for SA Jacob Zuma to respond, same as it took almost 12 hrs for police to arrive at the shooting scene in Kenya.

Some Africans are very quick to blame all their demise on the West and the rest while they forget to see the mess in their own homes.

I remember Zuma's leadership was called into question after his state of the nation address and he responded by saying that his critics should stop playing the man and start playing the ball ( whatever this meant). He kept on stating that South Africa was on the right track, unemployment is going down quality of life is improving. In his own words, "South Africa is a success story" but deep within me I could still resent my experience in that country. Did he know he was raring baboons in some remote areas of his country? Till date he has not even made a statement and yet we blame the Western world for showing solidarity to their own mishaps?

Well, this sort of thing benefits Zuma. The ANC has become what always happens to parties that don't have effective opposition: ineffective, lazy, low-grade corrupt, and unresponsive to the people. Every moment South Africans are attacking Zimbabweans is a moment they don't say, "hmmm... maybe we can do better than Zuma."

What a bunch of uncouth baboons, racoons, in short in Captain Haddock's own curses:

Blistering Barnacles, blackamoor, baboons, bloodsuckers, brats, brigands, brutes, buccaneers, Cannibals, Crooks, Dogs, Filibusters, Gangsters, Miserable earth worms, misguided missles, monster, Vandals, Vipers, Wildcats, Zapotecs


http://www.newsweek.com/south-africa...attacks-322625

http://ewn.co.za/2015/04/16/Peace-ma...-in-Durban-CBD

http://www.euronews.com/2015/04/16/s...in-xenophobia/

I am sorry and apologize for my meage knowledge about South Africa. And am certainly not alone in this. If you speak about xenophobia in South Africa you have to explain what xenophobia of whom against whom, you talk about

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Re: Xenophobia in south africa

i am so happy that i left SA a month ago.
i may not be black but i am still a foreigner and its only a matter of time before the black on black violence turns to other racial groups.
i didn't leave because of the violence or the lack of electricity. i left as i don't see much future in a country that is torn apart by political agenda borderline dictatorship.
it warms my heart to know that no matter how much better or worse the situation gets there i don't want to return as everything works in europe
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Re: Xenophobia in south africa

So whats the big deal, it's business as usual in Africa.
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