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Old 23.04.2015, 15:27
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

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99.999% of asylum seekers in Switzerland are in reality economic migrants.
I was surprised to learn how The Sound of Music was not as well known in Switzerland as it was where I came from. Disney totally embedded it into our psyche. Must be the melody.

99.999% is bit of an exaggeration. Because Switzerland has been a sanctuary for political asylum refugees, with its neutrality and non-extradition policies. Its also been a great place to stash away loot from bad guys that may try to get at it. And sure, its neutrality has sometimes meant it does not adjudicate moral issues. But lets not be judgemental. It's cool that way. But I would agree that the majority of asylum seekers are economic.
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Old 23.04.2015, 15:29
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

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So I was a refuge to Canada. I did not arrive on a boat (because that would be stupid), but my sister-in-law's parents did, but alas they were not refugees but immigrants from Italy. I digress... I'm not sure what you're getting at, but one of my divorced parents is 68 and still works every day to make ends meet since they had no way to plan for retirement until they were 40!

I had a cousins that arrived in Sweden as refugees in the 80s, they had to redo their engineering degrees, but at least they will retire more comfortably than my parents did. I'm glad what drove them to run was timed well for them?

Basically all your relatives were political refugees economic refugees seeking a safe haven a better life with lots of free rides in Sweden and Canada.
Let me explain you and to your relatives the difference between a political and economic refugee:

A political refugee is seeking asylum because of fear of persecution in his [her] home country due to political beliefs. An economic refugee is seeking an economic improvement in his [her] life.
Bona fide political refugees are granted asylum in Switzerland or EU. Economic refugees are not.
I have many Muslim friends including from Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, Bengladesh...
and they all tell me that almost 100% of refugees from the above countries are economic refugees...



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Essentially, every kid in the west gets a free ride. They get free everything at the cost of their parents and government. They can decide to work a bit and make it, work moderately hard and strike it... or they can decide to do nothing and ... well, still not starve or die because of it. There really isn't anything different between a kid born in Switzerland and a kid born in Lesotho, except for their parents' socio-economic and national status.
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Being born Swiss, does make someone more deserving to benefit from Switzerland, it's God's greatest gift.
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Old 23.04.2015, 15:49
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I was surprised to learn how The Sound of Music was not as well known in Switzerland as it was where I came from. Disney totally embedded it into our psyche. Must be the melody.
The Sound of Music is set in Austria
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Old 23.04.2015, 15:54
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The Sound of Music is set in Austria
It's not really known in Austria either.

A bit like Paddington Bear not actually being a classic in Peru.
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Old 23.04.2015, 15:57
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99.999% of asylum seekers in Switzerland are in reality economic migrants.
My wife's great-grandfather came here (from what is now Poland and was then Russia) as a political refugee.

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Old 23.04.2015, 16:12
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My wife's great-grandfather came here (from what is now Poland and was then Russia) as a political refugee.

Tom
That would be the 0.001% then
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Old 23.04.2015, 16:18
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Basically all your relatives were political refugees economic refugees seeking a safe haven a better life with lots of free rides in Sweden and Canada.
Let me explain you and to your relatives the difference between a political and economic refugee:

A political refugee is seeking asylum because of fear of persecution in his [her] home country due to political beliefs. An economic refugee is seeking an economic improvement in his [her] life.
Bona fide political refugees are granted asylum in Switzerland or EU. Economic refugees are not.
I have many Muslim friends including from Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, Bengladesh...
and they all tell me that almost 100% of refugees from the above countries are economic refugees...
Yeah, here's one of the differences. I AM NOT A MUSLIM.

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Old 23.04.2015, 16:24
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

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Well you got that bit right

Being born in a country is not being born into priviledge. This has already been covered.

We are not a global country - we are a globe of countries - each one different. No one can expect to be born in one location and be granted the rights of someone in another location. If you follow that logic you could be born in Italy - immediately claim a Canadian passport - move to Japan and claim your "rights" to whatever you damn well wanted.

Problems exist in certain parts of the world because tribes are still fighting tribes, the sort of thing "Europeans" gave up 800 years ago when they began forming countries. Admittedly those countries would keep on fighting for another 700 years until they finally figured out that "war" really gets in the way of socio and economic growth. Any Sid Meier's Civilisation player could tell you that!!
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Old 23.04.2015, 16:30
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

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Well you got that bit right
She was obviously talking about this as being one very good reason to leave those places and seek political asylum...

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If you're not muslim and you talk about it, or you're writing articles about the police state, the police picks you up, shaves your head and sticks you in a prison. .
and other reasons for which they would qualify for applying


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Really, we cannot know all people's stories. Many of them are genuine refuges.

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Old 23.04.2015, 16:33
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It's not really known in Austria either.

A bit like Paddington Bear not actually being a classic in Peru.

Although Austria has managed to embrace it enough to welcome a lot of tourists that come to Salzburg because of it. I was amazed at the number of Japanese tourists coming in with tour groups.
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Old 23.04.2015, 16:46
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Although Austria has managed to embrace it enough to welcome a lot of tourists that come to Salzburg because of it. I was amazed at the number of Japanese tourists coming in with tour groups.
Are you sure they're not coming because of Mozart ?
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Old 23.04.2015, 16:52
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

But the Sound of Music was about getting to Switzerland for sanctuary. Trust me, I know, I can't get the songs and lyrics out of my head.
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Are you sure they're not coming because of Mozart ?
For the Sacher Torte and Schnitzels, if they have any sense!
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Are you sure they're not coming because of Mozart ?
That's what I thought at first, but I was assured this was not the case! They want to see all of the places the movie used as sets. The tours are advertised as "Sound of Music" tours. Evidently it is/was? a very popular movie in Japan.
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That's what I thought at first, but I was assured this was not the case! They want to see all of the places the movie used as sets. The tours are advertised as "Sound of Music" tours. Evidently it is/was? a very popular movie in Japan.
Cool, I love that!
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Old 23.04.2015, 17:02
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Either way, I know I'm better than these SVP people... I'm not only more educated, but I actually worked to get where I am in life.
Have you cross posted this from the prejudice and discrimination thread?
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Old 23.04.2015, 17:06
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Although Austria has managed to embrace it enough to welcome a lot of tourists that come to Salzburg because of it. I was amazed at the number of Japanese tourists coming in with tour groups.
The Austrians are smart enough to show tourists what tourists want to see.

But being the country that virtually invented the operette and popularised the concept of playing light entertainment music with a classical orchestra, they're not going to be impressed by some foreign imitation.
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Old 23.04.2015, 17:09
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I know I'm better than these SVP people... I'm not only more educated, but I actually worked to get where I am in life. These people were just born into privilege and they want to deny it to others.
Don't bet on it.

Blocher was certainly not born into privilege, for example.

And I doubt that you are more educated than he is.

I'm sure that there are plenty of other examples.

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Don't bet on it.
Blocher was certainly not born into privilege, for example. And I doubt that you are more educated than he is. I'm sure that there are plenty of other examples.
She is defining privilege as being born in Switzerland. Perhaps she should remind those bastards sold as objects that they were privileged.
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But the Sound of Music was about getting to Switzerland for sanctuary. Trust me, I know, I can't get the songs and lyrics out of my head.
Well the film implied Switzerland, but the original, factual, story had no Swiss connection whatsoever. All else apart, it'd be a hell of a hike from Salzburg to the nearest Swiss border.
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