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Old 22.04.2015, 17:31
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

And that is the nail hit fair and square on the head, don´t let the leftie media propaganda about abject poverty fool you, most fleeing from war, be it civil or uncivil end up in the camps in that are already in Africa, and never even get a sniff at a boat, people fleeing from poverty don´t have two coins to rub together to pay the ferry man, and my sympathy went out the door when I found out that a large percentage indeed most of the "refugees" are actually a business investment from sub Saharan villages and families, not all mind you, there are genuine refugees I fully agree with that, I am not sure about the percentage but that is not the point.
For the villages and families it´s a win-win-win situation, for a few hundred bucks your village gets the chance of a stake in the financial dream of Europe, and not only that your village gets to rid it´s self of surplus males who take their testosterone some place else therefore freeing up resources in the village, cattle, land, women, roughly in that order.
And there is a good chance that they get killed on the way that would be bad, but they could come back that would be worst.
A few posts back somebody asked why the pictures flimmering across the TV and Internet mostly show males and not women and children, now you know.
On a side note you should see the classrooms of English schools here on the island, full of Libyan kids that mummy and daddy, well daddy have sent out of harms way, youths and no girls, makes you think eh?
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Old 22.04.2015, 17:49
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

Slammers last post above is the story as I`ve heard it from Africa.

That is the reason identity papers are destroyed.

Once in Europe - Mission accomplished.

Sure there are some real tragic cases, but tragic cases are everywhere in Africa.

Take a look at the last "stable" country in Africa, South Africa, and see what`s going on there now. Those from North Africa who made it down to the south are now being killed by the locals, and the president will not do anything about the violence despite pleas from the police who cannot contain the violence.

Africa is full of millionaires, and extremely wealthy leaders, who don`t give a shit about their own people.

Europeans were (and still are) not wanted in Africa Now that those countries are self-governed, they are doing what they`ve always done ..... fight. They burned their schools, hospitals, killed the medical workers, murder without compuction, rape and destroy till there`s nothing left - and now look to soft-hearted Eurpeans to rescue them from what they chose?

Europe has the EU. Africa has their OAU. Why is the EU concerned with what happens in Africa? The plight there should be resting on the shoulders of those elegant OAU members who wine, dine, and fete each other at their sumptious gatherings.

Let Europe be swamped by Africa, and it will be wallowing in slums.

Tis the natural progression of Africa.
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Old 22.04.2015, 18:02
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

wow, what a gross generalisation! you do realize there are 54 African countries and they are not all the same?
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Old 22.04.2015, 18:11
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My grandfather was a displaced person in WW2. He sent his wife and children to safety before looking after himself. There were tens of thousands like him. How times have changed.
So, he (and tens of thousands like him) "didn't stay with them, fend for them, and bring them across with him when he had to". You are being anti-Phos here!!

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Old 22.04.2015, 18:12
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

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If it was me, I would not leave any of my family behind. I would stay with them, fend for them, and bring them across with me if I had to.
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My grandfather was a displaced person in WW2. He sent his wife and children to safety before looking after himself. There were tens of thousands like him. How times have changed.
It has been said here that this way of coming over here is dangerous so why do you think they try it without their family first? Well, I'll answer it for you, it's dangerous.

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Well, I'll answer it for you, it's dangerous.

And the land they are going to is unknown and the fate they are going to meet is unknowable.

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Old 22.04.2015, 18:22
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

And this just in, made my jaw drop, reports are coming in of armed vessels coming out of Libya, you can say you read about it here first.....

"the Barbary pirates are back"

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...f-malta.565013
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Old 22.04.2015, 18:22
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It has been said here that this way of coming over here is dangerous so why do you think they try it without their family first? Well, I'll answer it for you, it's dangerous.

Or it could also be the allure of being young and single in a sea of amazingly gorgeous Germanic and Nordic blonde women.

I don't mind helping those who are truly in desperate need. But those abled bodied men called "refugees" are not them. To insinuate that Europe is responsible for all this, and that it has to accept all the dregs of all those broken and decrepit societies, that is the domain of suicidal leftist mental retards. Europeans still need look after the well-being of Europe.
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Old 22.04.2015, 18:25
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It has been said here that this way of coming over here is dangerous so why do you think they try it without their family first? Well, I'll answer it for you, it's dangerous.

But then in that case it can´t be all that bad at home if you are willing to leave your family behind to fend for themselves, sorry I don´t buy it.
Families in that kind of situation tend to stick together, would your hubby leave you and the kids behind?
Not only that the median age group tends to be in the range from 14 to 25 years with a peak around 19 years
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wow, what a gross generalisation! you do realize there are 54 African countries and they are not all the same?
Oh yes. There are a few small countries that are still ruled with an iron fist, mostly by their monarchies, but most are just ruins left over from colonialism.

South Africa is now sinking into a ruin also, along with most of the other countries, whose asylum seekers sought it out as their last resort, and now face being maimed/slaughtered by overburdened locals (humans resorting to the "overcrowded cage" syndrome)

Sporadic electricity supply, water shortages to follow - due to no infrastructure maintenance. Shortly to follow will be civil war - ethnic cleansing - the have-nots taking from the haves.

Same will eventually happen in Europe, once it`s overrun, and everyone loses their inhibitions and pride - over-crowded cage syndrome will begin here - to be called racism?

So I guess the world just goes round and round with history repeating itself? The geography changes slightly, the story remains the same.

America is big. Why not send cruise ships full of those poor people there?
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Or it could also be the allure of being young and single in a sea of amazingly gorgeous Germanic and Nordic blonde women.
Why are you assuming that dark or brown skinned Sub-Saharan/Berber/East African/..... women aren't amazingly gorgeous?

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It has been said here that this way of coming over here is dangerous so why do you think they try it without their family first? Well, I'll answer it for you, it's dangerous.

How do they know it`s dangerous? It`s their first sea trip. Or not? They come from all over Africa, hear about Europe where they get free money and care, save money, pay, and go.

They know their own countries, out of the 54 African countries can they not find ONE other land-trip country to flee to?

No. Europe is advertised - via Cellphones and Internet, from those who`ve struck it lucky here. Heaven on Earth! Come over. Just destroy any proof of where you (really) come from.
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Old 22.04.2015, 18:38
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Why are you assuming that dark or brown skinned Sub-Saharan/Berber/East African/..... women aren't amazingly gorgeous?
Oh, so maybe they come for the beer and sausages. But let's not get silly. They come because they get a free apartment, an allowance, and maybe petition to bring 4 wives and a dozen children once they get legitimate residence status. Social service for each and every one of them would afford a nice cushy lifestyle without lifting a finger to work.
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So, he (and tens of thousands like him) "didn't stay with them, fend for them, and bring them across with him when he had to". You are being anti-Phos here!!

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He sent his family to a place that was safer than the place they were leaving and he himself was last to leave it in seeking safety, after he had done all that was possible to assure the safety of others.

Is that concept so difficult to understand?

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America is big. Why not send cruise ships full of those poor people there?
Africa is also big. And much of it is empty. The soil is fertile and natural resources are abundant. Why not send the refugees there?

Oh wait.

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Old 22.04.2015, 18:50
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America is big. Why not send cruise ships full of those poor people there?
They tried that before and everybody got all butthurt about it.

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And the land they are going to is unknown and the fate they are going to meet is unknowable.

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Do you think that most of the Africans coming are these guys?

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Oh, so maybe they come for the beer and sausages. But let's not get silly. They come because they get a free apartment, an allowance, and maybe petition to bring 4 wives and a dozen children once they get legitimate residence status. Social service for each and every one of them would afford a nice cushy lifestyle without lifting a finger to work.
So what do you suggest? Stop social welfare schemes? Even the current resident can also get this nice cushy lifestyle without lifting a finger to work, no? And everybody everywhere is an immigrant, historically speaking (only the time of arrival is different).

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Old 22.04.2015, 21:11
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Oh, so maybe they come for the beer and sausages. But let's not get silly. They come because they get a free apartment, an allowance, and maybe petition to bring 4 wives and a dozen children once they get legitimate residence status. Social service for each and every one of them would afford a nice cushy lifestyle without lifting a finger to work.
Again, I hope nobody in Africa actually reads your post. Its full of the usual right wing lies.

Apartment? In reality, at best get a bunk in a crowded asylum seekers hostel, not located in a military barracks if lucky. So, a lie.

Another lie about the four wives, since you know full well that polygamy is illegal in Switzerland. Most people arent old enough to have had children, maybe at most one child or two.

Most dont get legitimate residence status, another lie there. Last year CH granted 26%. If denied, the allowance is between 6 and 10 CHF a day. Wonder what your lifestyle is that you consider this cushy. Pants on fire by now?

So living in a hostel, cannot work, get an allowance of between 180 to 300 CHF a month while waiting deportation, and cannot bring anybody else. Reality.
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Reality.
Umm, reality is that Switzerland has no seaports, thus none of these will ever be legal refugees here.

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Umm, reality is that Switzerland has no seaports, thus none of these will ever be legal refugees here.

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Umm, then you dont know what you are talking about, since last I checked there were a bunch of airports all over the place.

Thankfully the legality of refugees is determined by the federal authorities, and not self appointed refugee experts on EF.

If you can spare a few minutes from grandstanding, do bother to read what the actual law governing the granting of refugee status is.
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Again, I hope nobody in Africa actually reads your post. Its full of the usual right wing lies.

Apartment? In reality, at best get a bunk in a crowded asylum seekers hostel, not located in a military barracks if lucky. So, a lie.

Another lie about the four wives, since you know full well that polygamy is illegal in Switzerland. Most people arent old enough to have had children, maybe at most one child or two.

Most dont get legitimate residence status, another lie there. Last year CH granted 26%. If denied, the allowance is between 6 and 10 CHF a day. Wonder what your lifestyle is that you consider this cushy. Pants on fire by now?

So living in a hostel, cannot work, get an allowance of between 180 to 300 CHF a month while waiting deportation, and cannot bring anybody else. Reality.
A friend works in the social housing department of Tower Hamlets and the post by phos is pretty accurate. Apartments, houses wives etc .. In UK they just need to say the magic word and the bleeding hearts are stampeding over each other to offer assistance. .
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