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Old 22.04.2015, 23:52
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Oh the irony, a bunch of Expats who came here for a better Quality of Life wagging their judgemental finger at those trying to do the same.
Straw man. Some of us came here just to try something different.
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Old 22.04.2015, 23:53
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But we're the right sort of auslanders - not like those dirty filthy types
Even in this rarefied atmosphere there is a group of natives who hate us being here and would rather we effed off.
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Old 22.04.2015, 23:55
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Oh the irony, a bunch of Expats who came here for a better Quality of Life wagging their judgemental finger at those trying to do the same.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I had to be invited to come. and I didn't exactly come by boat.

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Old 22.04.2015, 23:57
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I had to be invited to come. and I didn't exactly come by boat.

I was head-hunted by a very persistent recruiter at Roche... I gave in just to get her off my back
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Old 23.04.2015, 00:25
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Straw man. Some of us came here just to try something different.
Some of us came here just to make straw man arguments.
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Old 23.04.2015, 00:41
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

And many of said expats don't even like being here, and reluctantly tolerate it. The tragedies and comedies of life. Fairness is a delusion.

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Again, I hope nobody in Africa actually reads your post. Its full of the usual right wing lies.

Apartment? In reality, at best get a bunk in a crowded asylum seekers hostel, not located in a military barracks if lucky. So, a lie.

Another lie about the four wives, since you know full well that polygamy is illegal in Switzerland. Most people arent old enough to have had children, maybe at most one child or two.
This is fairly well documented and happens in many places. I was recently reading about cases commonly found in Berlin-Neukoelln, US and Australia without looking for it., as Rob1 even confirms cases in the UK.

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Old 23.04.2015, 01:28
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I've met refugees here in Switzerland who have been given apartments, an allowance and fees for their language courses. I also know of Swiss locals who would never dream of tapping their Gemeinde's koffers even if it meant they have to go without eating. Lies? I'm afraid what I am telling you is truly cultural awareness. The other notion of turning a blind eye to uncomfortable realities is not true cultural awarenes, its actually a form of cultural ignorance, or lying.

Would you rather hear from true Africans who will tell you the truth of what they see? Its not dificult to find.

No municipality (village/town/City) gives appartments but for a while pays the renting of an appartment. And many of the refugees would love NOT to "tap their gemeinde's koffers" if they got a permission to get Jobs


The language courses will make it possible for the Newcomers to pick up Jobs


Many of the immigrants will do Jobs where there is not sufficient personnel around like restaurant-waiters, car-mechanics, masons, carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc . Some of them even are University graduates whose degrees are not accepted here, but may succeed to get good Jobs against the Odds. Not least as Switzerland is one of the many European countries with a negative Population development (shrinking Population, againg Population)
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Old 23.04.2015, 01:36
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How do they know it`s dangerous? It`s their first sea trip. Or not? They come from all over Africa, hear about Europe where they get free money and care, save money, pay, and go.

They know their own countries, out of the 54 African countries can they not find ONE other land-trip country to flee to?

No. Europe is advertised - via Cellphones and Internet, from those who`ve struck it lucky here. Heaven on Earth! Come over. Just destroy any proof of where you (really) come from.

""Another Country"" ?? Do you recommend Sudan to Eritreans, Somalis and Ethiopians ? Kenya ? Rwanda ? --- or Nigeria to People from the Ivory Coast ?


Most of the refugees do NOT destroy evidence of where they come from


Italy has average incomes which are more than 5-times as high as in Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco or Egypt. And in all four countries the jobless rates are between 10 and 35 % . So that Europe IS paradise.
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Old 23.04.2015, 03:52
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I had to be invited to come. and I didn't exactly come by boat.

Because it's a landlocked country..?
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Old 23.04.2015, 08:19
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

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""Another Country"" ?? Do you recommend Sudan to Eritreans, Somalis and Ethiopians ? Kenya ? Rwanda ? --- or Nigeria to People from the Ivory Coast ?
I am always amazed how little people know about Africa... Kenya is a country that takes refugees IN, not OUT. An the Rwandan job market is so booming hot that I myself would probably rather move there than Italy...
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Old 23.04.2015, 09:34
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Oh the irony, a bunch of Expats who came here for a better Quality of Life wagging their judgemental finger at those trying to do the same.
Actually, when I came here, the pay was less than I could get back in the US, so it was hardly for a better quality of life.

Different, yes, better, no.

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Old 23.04.2015, 09:42
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

Exactly, most of us came here because we have skills to offer. Unskilled labour, well there's plenty of that available already. What's more, virtually all of us Auslanders could piss off back home with no issue whatsoever. Not much of a difference then.
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Old 23.04.2015, 10:00
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Because it's a landlocked country..?
So what?

I came to Switzerland on a boat once. We left from Evian.
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Old 23.04.2015, 10:12
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Exactly, most of us came here because we have skills to offer. Unskilled labour, well there's plenty of that available already. What's more, virtually all of us Auslanders could piss off back home with no issue whatsoever. Not much of a difference then.
And our kids, much like the children of the swiss, will get a free ride.
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Old 23.04.2015, 10:14
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And our kids, much like the children of the swiss, will get a free ride.
What does that even mean? That they'll be well brought up, go to school and get a job? All this doesn't happen on it's own you know.
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Old 23.04.2015, 10:19
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

This discussion is futile. Everyone in their situation would have tried to escape it.
Unfortunately, there are (how can I call them? monsters?) individuals who take advantage of their desperation, or strong desire to better their lives. I am sure they in fact have little idea about how dangerous this sea crossing can be..

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10193569.html

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Old 23.04.2015, 10:20
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And our kids, much like the children of the swiss, will get a free ride.
Nobody gets a free ride.

If stuff appears to be free its because people want it that way and are prepared to pay for it with taxes.

Our society thus exists because of a delicate state of consensus. You destroy that consensus and you lose the good with the bad.
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Nobody gets a free ride.

If stuff appears to be free its because people want it that way and are prepared to pay for it with taxes.

Our society thus exists because of a delicate state of consensus. You destroy that consensus and you lose the good with the bad.
Yes, and most of the refuges will be looking to pay their taxes, as soon as they are on their feet and receive some help with the language and some other professional training.
Why should anyone believe they are different than you or us? Is it because some of us have little trust in humankind in general, or we're directing our lack of trust and contempt (yes, it's contempt after all) only towards the less fortunate ones, or the poorer ones?
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Old 23.04.2015, 10:58
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Actually, when I came here, the pay was less than I could get back in the US, so it was hardly for a better quality of life.

Different, yes, better, no.

Tom
So quality of life = money for you.......basically it's reduced to the number of things you can buy. Not sure everyone agrees with this definition.
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Old 23.04.2015, 11:09
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Yes, and most of the refuges will be looking to pay their taxes, as soon as they are on their feet and receive some help with the language and some other professional training.
Yes, yes, of course they do. http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lmac/e...ticipation.pdf
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