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The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

I do think that the world needs to react to the plight of all these desperate people trying to reach Europe and England. It's so tragic to see people lose there lives in a desperate attempt to leave their countries. Any serious ideas/thoughts on how the world can address this situation before another boat sinks killing hundreds.
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

Make it illegal?
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

It already is illegal, the countries where the boats are originating from, do not have the power to stop them. The world needs to stabilise and equalise a bit more before it gets out of hand. The problem is in how to get people to want to stay in their own countries, most people don't really want to leave, but because of whats happening, conflict, poverty and environmental issues, they are being left with no other options
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I do think that the world needs to react to the plight of all these desperate people trying to reach Europe and England. It's so tragic to see people lose there lives in a desperate attempt to leave their countries. Any serious ideas/thoughts on how the world can address this situation before another boat sinks killing hundreds.
Remove the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Return any boats full of migrants back to where they came from. Make them realise the risk to reward of getting to Europe just isn't there. It's that simple.
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

Fill the med with Sharks with frickin' laser beams??
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

try to resolve the roots of the problems?
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

We are just at the start of this mass exodus so this is going to get a lot worse before anything can be done to improve the situation. We have no one to blame aside from ourselves as we pretty much helped in a large part to create these problems, and Switzerland is no exception to this either.
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try to resolve the roots of the problems?
On top of that, there are traffickers who're leading them to believe they are going to make it, for the right amount of money. That should be solved too.
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We are just at the start of this mass exodus so this is going to get a lot worse before anything can be done to improve the situation. We have no one to blame aside from ourselves as we pretty much helped in a large part to create these problems, and Switzerland is no exception to this either.
Most of the migrants come from Syria, Eritrea, Somalia, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Gambia, Senegal, Mali, Sudan and Ivory Coast. Afghanistan aside, just how is it Europe's fault that these people want to come here?
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I do think that the world needs to react to the plight of all these desperate people trying to reach Europe and England. It's so tragic to see people lose there lives in a desperate attempt to leave their countries. Any serious ideas/thoughts on how the world can address this situation before another boat sinks killing hundreds.
make the marine pull the boats back to where they come from.
this is successful in Australia.
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Most of the migrants come from Syria, Eritrea, Somalia, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Gambia, Senegal, Mali, Sudan and Ivory Coast. Afghanistan aside, just how is it Europe's fault that these people want to come here?
The answer may lie on the history and background of migration in each of these and European countries.
Anyway, I just want to make a remark about a documentary about the introduction of Nile perch, which caused damages to the ecological system in Lake Victoria, as well as some social and health problems for the local people. As it is shown in the documentary, the cargo that brought the fishes to Europe, in return brought weapons and ammunition to this African region, exacerbating conflict and misery in the area.
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Most of the migrants come from Syria, Eritrea, Somalia, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Gambia, Senegal, Mali, Sudan and Ivory Coast. Afghanistan aside, just how is it Europe's fault that these people want to come here?
It could be argued that in days of yore we (Europeans) did kind of take the piss with the Empire. And that the natives didn't get a fair crack of the whip in developing their own countries.

The flip side is that for the most part these countries have had half a century of free rule and access to developments far cheaper and more accessible than Europe and they have squandered their opportunities.

Look at the raw materials available in Africa and look how the revenue is wasted - or siphoned off by corruption. This is not helped by artificial borders that are a leftover from Imperial rule.

Theoretically they have "never had it so good", but things are better elsewhere, and so, for some, there will be a motivation to risk life and limb to seek out that opportunity.
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

Just a few thoughts off the top of my head:

1. Mormon missionaries
2. "High-energy plankton"
3. Make it illegal for the news agencies to report on these tragedies
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Most of the migrants come from Syria, Eritrea, Somalia, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Gambia, Senegal, Mali, Sudan and Ivory Coast. Afghanistan aside, just how is it Europe's fault that these people want to come here?


Well for one thing where did most of the weaponry contributing to these conflicts originate? Aside from the continued impact of colonialism Western and Eastern interest continues in the form of Natural resource exploitation, oil and minerals, gems and hardwoods. The impact of the mega corporations in intensive farming and diverting water to farm for export to Europe (i.e. beans and flowers in Kenya) to bottle Coca Cola, to sell back water to the locals: Nestle! This list is endless, the governments are corrupt, but also corrupted by support from our governments to ease the access of international corporations to their resources. Don't think for one second that we don't share a huge blame to how things are turning out globally. Switzerland has been happily turning a blind eye to where the money it looks after comes from for the last 70 years. The followers of Ayn Rand have a lot to answer for.
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

My two cents.
How can you stop them? you can't!
By improving the situation in their home countries?
You can't, you would be meddling in internal affairs of sovereign countries and that has never worked well.
Send money?
Already been done by the gazillion, didn't work.
Apart from that even if you could raise countries like Eritrea out of the basket it still would not stop them from coming, you would need to intervene and stop tribal/religious wars throughout Africa, and the middle east.
Turn them back, where to, they would just get on the next boat only more desperate this time.
Open the borders? Well we all came from Africa didn't we?
Machine gun the buggers in the water? Too much backlash from the lefties.
Arrest the traffickers?
And those that come after them and after them and after them and after them.
One way would be to look into history and see how the british empire did things when they wanted to decimate an entire people, simply let them starve to thin the ranks until no longer a threat, let's see 21st century media have a ball with that solution.
In short there is nothing Europe can do and we should be happy that Europe's moat, the med works as a filter, period.
In the meantime you get them by the freighter load, simply cram the holds like the slave ships of the 18th century then let the ship run north until it runs out of fuel, or sink the boat as soon as a ships comes in sight.
We hear horror stories of muslems chucking christians overboard, of people being stabbed as they try to claw their way out of the hold of a sinking ship, of rape and murder and all the nasty traits of being predator monkeys,
Take a walk into Marsa just south of Valletta after dark, or better don't, It was never a pretty place, but now it is a hellish african slum with black on black violence, black on white violence, black christian vrs. black muslem, tribe against tribe, it's so ironic they wanted to desperately escape violence and it followed them to Europe, in bars and on the streets you hear from Maltese the words "sub humans" in the sense of hatred, scorn and resentment is high among the local population, in the one year and four months I have been here in Bugibba the demographics have changed, you see more and more black faces, men and women, most women pushing prams, because that is what happens, it's not only those fresh off the boat but as soon as they are here they start to pop out kids by the dozen. There are rising demands for more mosques, guess how that goes down in a country more catholic than the pope.
I could go on and on and on, but, the fuse has been lit and it's only a matter of time before Europe burns.
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Look at the raw materials available in Africa and look how the revenue is wasted - or siphoned off by corruption. This is not helped by artificial borders that are a leftover from Imperial rule.

Theoretically they have "never had it so good", but things are better elsewhere, and so, for some, there will be a motivation to risk life and limb to seek out that opportunity.


Again who is buying that raw material, supplying the means to extract it ? Shell, Gazprom... Look what shell did to Nigeria (quick google search): http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faq...tation-nigeria


This has led to civil conflict and radicalization, cause and effect, cause and effect...
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

So natural resource exploitation by Europeans has caused this? And not political conflict, ethnic cleansing, disease, hand to mouth existance etc. etc. etc.
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

Sink all boats in African ports before they are loaded.

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We're living in an absurd world...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10193130.html
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Re: The repeating tragedy of immigrants dying to reach Europe.

How about building a bridge or a tunnel?
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