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Old 28.04.2015, 03:15
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Old 28.04.2015, 03:34
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The Turkish Republic is NOT a successor to the Turkish Empire, neither dejure nor defacto.


Turks however HAVE TO accept that it was Turks who committed mass-murders against the Armenians and against the Arabs between 1910 and 1918




and should realise that they in the Arab World are respected and feared but NOT liked
The Turkish Republic is not a successor to the Ottoman Empire? What do you mean by de jure and de facto in this case?

Turkey have been massacring Armenians for decades before 1915, 1915 being the attempted final solution. Your "1910 to 1918" is simply wrong. Seriously even a quick Google will show you this.
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The Turkish Republic is not a successor to the Ottoman Empire? What do you mean by de jure and de facto in this case?

Turkey have been massacring Armenians for decades before 1915, 1915 being the attempted final solution. Your "1910 to 1918" is simply wrong. Seriously even a quick Google will show you this.



By 1910 to 1918 I referred to the time when the Turkish Empire went beserk in various places


The Republic was established in Ankara when the Empire was still existing. The two countries existed beside each other for more than a year. And Mustafa Kemal took care NOT to take over the assets of the Fading empire and also abstained from taking the position of the Kaliph. That Ankara is now Capital is NOT coincidence but planning


You speak about a Final Solution. What proof do you have for this theory ? Most history records rather hint to an attempt to force the Armenians OUT of the Empire -- similar results but not the same.
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Old 28.04.2015, 08:45
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By 1910 to 1918 I referred to the time when the Turkish Empire went beserk in various places


The Republic was established in Ankara when the Empire was still existing. The two countries existed beside each other for more than a year. And Mustafa Kemal took care NOT to take over the assets of the Fading empire and also abstained from taking the position of the Kaliph. That Ankara is now Capital is NOT coincidence but planning


You speak about a Final Solution. What proof do you have for this theory ? Most history records rather hint to an attempt to force the Armenians OUT of the Empire -- similar results but not the same.
At least you've come clean now, thanks.

There is plenty of evidence, and this a chat site not a court of law.
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Old 28.04.2015, 10:39
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My Godmother is Armenian. She now lives in France and has never understood the lack of perceived interest in the Armenian's plight.

There's a question that needs to be asked though. When is genocide history and when does it still need to be addressed by current generations?

Will Jews still feel the urge to quote their 6M loss 500 years after the event? Will the descendants of the Boers move on from their losses at the hands of the Brits and will the Chinese ever comprehend why Japan continues to play down the atrocities they carried out both before and during WW2?
Why not? The founders of Israel referred to events that took place 2000 years ago and more to formulate their claim to that land. Sometimes old hurts have a way of going on and on.

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I feel that when you have no valid current argument to prove a point, you use historical data to confuse or bullshit your opinion to emphasize your point of view. A Turk can't deny what happened in Armenia, but does someone born in 1985 have to bear the weight of history on his shoulders any more than Klaus from Düsseldorf born in 2003 has to feel guilty about what happened in Belsen 60 years previously?
I don't think anybody should feel guilty about something for which they do not personally bear any blame.

Things like reparation, however, are not only about the gesture of apology but also an attempt to redress any unfair advantage that one side may have gained. Their children and other people not bearing any blame may nevertheless benefit from the advantages. So there are for example German corporations who have payed reparations over slave labour even though the present management has nothing to do with the crimes of the past.
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