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Old 06.05.2015, 16:43
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Amazingly, West Europeans who heavily condemned the American use of Napalm happily praised the use of Napalm by the Israeli Armed Forces in Jund 1967. Particularily badly hit was the Iraqi Expeditionary Aid Force in the West Bank of Jordan, but also Egyptian soldiers caught up in the Sinai
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Old 06.05.2015, 17:27
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in the US, the same generation that served (or, in many cases, should have served) in Vietnam is the same generation that has been killing tens of thousands of civilians and spending trillions of dollars chasing their tail in the middle east for the last 15 years. in other words, I'm not sure how much the Vietnam tragedy actually changed the country, if anything the US is even more an irresponsible and irrational military-industrial complex than it was in 1961.
Alright, some context. I'm not so sure Vietnam was a total failure for the West. The war was very unpopular in the US. But believe it or not, it received widespread support from surrounding Asian countries. To those countries, the Vietnam War was a boon to their development.

The rationale provided for the war was called the "domino effect". After China, you had North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Burma, India, etc.; in line to fall to communism. It was brutal and horrific. I think it was intended to be. It may not have stopped Laos and Cambodia from falling to communism. But could the specter of those horrors have caused people to think twice whether they wanted it in their own country? Could Thailand, Malaysia, and so on have worked to ensure it did not happen their countries? I do know they all tightened the noose on their communist insurgencies at a much earlier stage. If so, couldn't one say that Vietnam achieve the US strategic objective of stopping the domino effect?

The war was very unpopular in the US, but I wonder if it was really as unpopular with the military industrial complex. They repeated this same doctrine of intervention going forward in many other places. They lost Vietnam, which in context is one theater of war against communism. But then they won the larger war against communism. Which is maybe why intervention was repeated again and again in many other places afterwards.
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source please.

heaps of sources, but the newspapers of 1966, 67, 68 and 69 have ended up in the old papers long ago. Yes, the popularity of Israel is Western Europe in the late 1960ies was UNlimited
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heaps of sources, but the newspapers of 1966, 67, 68 and 69 have ended up in the old papers long ago. Yes, the popularity of Israel is Western Europe in the late 1960ies was UNlimited
You may be aware of a thing called the Internet. try there - I did, and found nothing to back your claim. again.
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Yeah, let's derail this into another Israel thread... do you actually have other hobbies as well?
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Yeah, let's derail this into another Israel thread... do you actually have other hobbies as well?
You're 2 days late.

But I agree - I would get 1 CHF for every factually wrong comment about Israel, you alone would make me rich.
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You may be aware of a thing called the Internet. try there - I did, and found nothing to back your claim. again.

There was NO Internet in the late 1960ies. And I back then did not consider for a Moment to store such things which then were normal Standard. You however can ask the Israeli embassy in Bern about it. They are well documented. You also may contact Pierre Heumann who is a very liberal Person ( & Journalist), well saw how pro Israel public opinion was but at least once had to take note of the anti-Jewish sentiments still around 20 years after the end of WW-II .


I guess, Roger Schawinski made some similar experiences.


Amazing was to see how the Arab side, horribly UNpopular in 1967, became fairly popular by about 1970
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