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Old 18.05.2015, 14:02
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Re: Norway's police project to combat crimes against animals

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You said that threatened whales aren't the same as those being hunted. Unfortunately you are wrong. For instance, Iceland and Norway have been commercially hunting the endangered fin whales for years. Iceland has been declared to be in defiance of the IWC (International Whaling Commission) ban, but no sanctions have been imposed. (This is of course another problem with animal crimes that the consequences are minimal to nonexistent).

It seems like a weak argument to say we shouldnít worry about killing one animal species, since we donít worry about killing some other animal species either.
I haven't mentioned sharks, dolphins, orcas, sea turtles, tigers, rhinos, elephants, lemurs, leopards, lions, wild dogs, lorises etc because it would end up in a very long thread to detail the practices employed in hunting down each animal, the winners who benefit from trade, the devastating effect on the food chains, the impact on our environment and the socio-cultural implications (e.g. in China tiger parts have been a delicacy, some rural people and snake oil sellers even saying that they can treat and cure impotent people). But obviously my opinions are applicable to all the other animals as well. The moral equality remains the same.

By the way, a whole lot of people have been questioning and fighting against shark hunting. Recent years have seen a number of laws put into place, e.g. in the form of shark conservation, regulation of fishing and bans on finning. Sharks have been gaining popularity, not least because of pioneering researches and marine conservationists raising awareness to the masses through youtube and social media. Even if you arenít into sharks, perhaps you have seen footages of Ocean Ramsey free diving with great whites, hammerheads, bull sharks and tiger sharks.
If you have an open mind, itís easy to go online and learn about the newest occurrences and researches (that increasingly debunk the myths).

Without going into details, I'll state that sharks too play a vital role in the oceans and thus need to be protect. What is more, shark finning (the practice of cutting off the shark's fins and throwing him back into the water) needs to stop.
Judged by our cruel and consume oriented behavior, you could argue that we are becoming backward and inhumane.
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Old 18.05.2015, 19:42
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Re: Norway's police project to combat crimes against animals

I understand whale is similar in taste to billy goat gruff.

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Yes, quoting doesn't seem to work.

Anyway, Norway hunts whales and seals as part of their ecological control.

And both taste great, however I prefer seal as schnitzel and whale as carpaccio.

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Old 18.05.2015, 19:48
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I understand whale is similar in taste to billy goat gruff.
While I appreciate the connection, they are totally different.

Whale is lean and tender, and best eaten raw or rare, otherwise it develops a livery taste, which, much as I enjoy liver, just doesn't work.

Meanwhile, I prefer Billy's kids to Billy!

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Old 18.05.2015, 20:17
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Furthermore, from my understanding, the species that are being whaled (is this the word?) are not the same as the species that are acutely threatened.

Of course it is legitimate to question the ethics of hunting them nevertheless, but then so should we question the practices of hunting sharks and other species that are also threatened but which we don't feel the same level of sympathy for.
Are there really people who feel strongly about whales but not about sharks? I have met so far mostly either environmentalists who usually try to understand an ecosystem... or people who could not care less about the entire topic. At this very moment is the shark problem btw much worse than the situation for whales.

And you are right: Norway is only hunting mink whales, of which there are some 800k swimming around and the country kills a few hundred a year. Having said that is the North Atlantic right whale still endangered and not recovered... (they are called "right" because they were the right whales for hunters to kill...)
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Are there really people who feel strongly about whales but not about sharks? I have met so far mostly either environmentalists who usually try to understand an ecosystem... or people who could not care less about the entire topic.
It may be that I'm mistaken, but Greenpeace and other such organisations working to save whales often use as arguments the cuteness factor of whales, or that they are such beautiful and peaceful and intelligent creatures. Their broader ecological role gets mentioned, at best, in the small print.

As I am assuming the PR people at Greenpeace know their audience, I assumed, maybe wrongly, that these are the reasons (many) people do rally for the cause of whales. The same arguments are not easily applied to sharks.
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It may be that I'm mistaken, but Greenpeace and other such organisations working to save whales often use as arguments the cuteness factor of whales, or that they are such beautiful and peaceful and intelligent creatures. Their broader ecological role gets mentioned, at best, in the small print.

As I am assuming the PR people at Greenpeace know their audience, I assumed, maybe wrongly, that these are the reasons (many) people do rally for the cause of whales. The same arguments are not easily applied to sharks.
I'm sure you're right. A whale is a much easier "sell" than a dangereous, perhaps potentially lethal shark, or spiders or snakes.

Even better if they evoke a "baby" effect (Kindchenschema in german): Big eyes, round-ish head and body, fluffiness (where applicable). Babies, seals, puppies, kittens, teddy bears, Bambi, the WWF panda - they all fit that pattern.
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I'm sure you're right. A whale is a much easier "sell" than a dangereous, perhaps potentially lethal shark, or spiders or snakes.
I have dived with both and I for one am much more scared of wild dolphin than sharks. Trust me, flipper is an arsehole in real life. Great whites on the other hand are extremely shy and calm creatures. It took entire buckets of chum to agitate them so badly that you get to see those discovery channel moments... and I felt bad for the shark. I'll never do a cage dive again.
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