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Re: Do women belong in Science?

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As a female scientist I found it offensive and was happy that he was made to face the consequences of his actions 😁
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Iím impressed by the economic development of Korea. And women scientists played, without doubt an important role in it. Science needs women and you should do science despite all the obstacles.
What's offensive about that? You must be totally crazy and one of this backward thinking females that honestly believe that women have no place in academics, science and or any workplace, but should stay at home and make it a super nice place for the husband returning home from his hard work. No go away with your old school thinking.

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Re: Do women belong in Science?

Quote from a female colleague teacher:
"Women belong everywhere, even in the kitchen if they feel like it".

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"In their own kitchen, not in mine".

Was I unintentionally sexist or was she?

Replace "kitchen" by "science" - same question.
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Old 26.06.2015, 12:55
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...I feel that the 'now seriously' part adequately covers the theme that the first part is a joke and ridiculous in nature...
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I disagree. Because the context, as Chemmie points out puts an entirely different slant on things.
Meh. Sir Tim was speaking to a room full of journalists. Interchange idiotic with naive if you wish, but either way it was one of those to make such a joke/comment in a room of non-native speakers. The margin for error (or confidence intervals if you wish) were enormous and high risk.

In such a public situation I don't think you should take such risks. For a public comment, it is crass even with the "now seriously qualifier".

While Chemmie's comment that many people are now "sterile" in their public engagements resonates, not all are. There are some genuinely funny and engaging (intellectual) people who can do so without being crass.
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No, because they cry and fall in love with you all the time.
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Re: Do women belong in Science?

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Iím impressed by the economic development of Korea. And women scientists played, without doubt an important role in it. Science needs women and you should do science despite all the obstacles.

This was surely the point of the whole speech and why he was there in the first place. I however cannot see what relevance his earlier comments had other than as a badly misplaced joke.Hopefully this will make others think more carefully in future when composing their speeches.

I worked in the science workplace and on the whole was treated as an equal with my male colleagues.there will always be sexism but it can also cut both ways with the males being discriminated against too at times.

My view has always been that the person who does best at the job should get the success and their gender should be irrelevant.This should hold for Science but indeed any field of work .
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Old 26.06.2015, 13:28
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Re: Do women belong in Science?

I work in R&D the pharmaceutical industry and our local R&D department is pretty much female dominated, especially in the regulatory division. Whereas production and engineering & services are very male dominated.
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Re: Do women belong in Science?

Don't know about the other scientists in this thread but whenever someone has been crying in the lab they have usually been female and the number of same lab couples I've come across is pretty high. After all working in the same place as people day in day out with similar interests as you will probably lead to lots of falling love!

If he wasn't joking would crying in the lab or falling in love be such a bad thing?

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Re: Do women belong in Science?

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However I think UCL were wrong react as swiftly as they did, ignoring any semblance of fairness or due process. It seems like UCL and other institutions are paranoid about their online image and increasingly beholden to social media. Its perhaps not surprising considering how much money top British Unis make from foreign students, private research grants etc..

However they should have but principles first by placing him on garden leave and then organising a fair hearing where he would have a chance to put his case forward, present character witnesses etc.. Instead they chose to instantly satisfy the Twitter monster and hang the fellow out to dry.

I wouldn't want to work in a sexist institution, but neither would I want to work for a cowardly one.
Well yes, I agree- but he really should have known better OH qualifed at UCH in 1969, and even then, such a joke would have been fine in the pub, with the females in the group laughing too- but no Prof would have said it in public, knowing full well it would be taken out of context by some.

Sbrinz, with seniority comes responsibility- you know very well that 'free speech' does not exist re some subjects. Do you think that 'free speech' should have allowed him to say that 'gays do not belong in science' or 'blacks don't belong in science'. Especially as it is true that few females did make it into science and the tope echelons- until not very long ago- due to parental, societal and educational attitudes.
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Old 26.06.2015, 14:19
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Don't know about the other scientists in this thread but whenever someone has been crying in the lab they have usually been female and the number of same lab couples I've come across is pretty high. After all working in the same place as people day in day out with similar interests as you will probably lead to lots of falling love!

If he wasn't joking would crying in the lab or falling in love such a bad thing?
The only crying I experienced in the lab was when I spilt a tiny drop of Methyl isocyanate on the balance.
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Old 26.06.2015, 14:24
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Re: Do women belong in Science?

Odile it was a joke, he was being light hearted. He praised female scientists in Korea. Where is the problem? "Trial by Twitter" is about as acceptable as witch burning.
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Old 26.06.2015, 14:30
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Re: Do women belong in Science?

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This was surely the point of the whole speech and why he was there in the first place. I however cannot see what relevance his earlier comments had other than as a badly misplaced joke. Hopefully this will make others think more carefully in future when composing their speeches.
Then why focus on a side remark and not on the real message?


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But you still approve that someone may lose his job because a joke is taken out of context. Do you think that gender may play a role in this?
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Re: Do women belong in Science?

Hunt's paid a high price for a foolish statement, here are some sexy female scientists:
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-33099289
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Quote from a female colleague teacher:
"Women belong everywhere, even in the kitchen if they feel like it".

I added:
"In their own kitchen, not in mine".

Was I unintentionally sexist or was she?

Replace "kitchen" by "science" - same question.
"Women belong everywhere, even in the science if they feel like it".

"In their own science, not in mine".

TBH, I don't like anyone in my science except for me, and my PhD slaves---regardless of gender
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Old 26.06.2015, 15:21
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Re: Do women belong in Science?

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Hunt's paid a high price for a foolish statement, here are some sexy female scientists:
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-33099289
Do you have a link to sexy male scientists?
The ones i have are inappropriate on so many levels.
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Old 26.06.2015, 15:29
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Do you have a link to sexy male scientists?
The ones i have are inappropriate on so many levels.
Where do I send the photos?
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Where do I send the photos?
i am not short of inappropriate ones, I just have nothing for the forum here... so put the link here if you have something to match the usual "sexy girl exhibition" need that some people feel entitled to in public discussions.
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Old 26.06.2015, 15:33
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Hunt's paid a high price for a foolish statement, here are some sexy female scientists:
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-33099289

Very good! now using the hashtag #DistractinglySexy we have a good list of individuals attempting science who lack the skills to properly undertake indepth investigations and reading/comprehension of claims.
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Old 26.06.2015, 15:50
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Very good! now using the hashtag #DistractinglySexy we have a good list of individuals attempting science who lack the skills to properly undertake indepth investigations and reading/comprehension of claims.
Actually no - having done the indepth investigation it appears he was pretty much being sexist, possibly unconciously given how badly he has handled the whole thing. This seems to be a pretty good summary:

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actually just found this and it appear he was being a total arse, and the comments weren't significantly taken out of context.
Anyway, taking a strong meme and posting something funny isn't the same thing - I'd agree if they were just adding more attacks on the individual to the noise.
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