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Old 17.07.2015, 23:23
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A colleague of Professor Plum and Mrs. Peacock.
Maybe somebody should take Obama to the library and hit him in the head with a candlestick so he could get a clue that the Iranian government is more interested in regional dominance than they are in bettering the lives of the people of their country
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I can't wait for a direct return flight SFO-IKA on a new, safe plane.
Me neither: ORD-IKA nonstop

Nonstop flights would be the most convenient between THR and major cities in North America. The thing that always pisses me off the most is that 7 hours after departing IKIA, the plane (the second flight) is back over Borj Milad (you can even see Mehrabad AP) flying northbound toward Shomal and Russia... Last time, my door-to-door journey (from Farmanieh to North Shore) took slightly more than 24 hours Not fun, but still better than flying on Lufthansa via Frankfurt/Main.
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Maybe somebody should take Obama to the library and hit him in the head with a candlestick so he could get a clue that the Iranian government is more interested in regional dominance than they are in bettering the lives of the people of their country


They are interested in improving their economy which not only will improve the living standard of the People but will also make Iran the dominant power in the Region, in times when Iraq and Pakistan are relatively weak
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Old 18.07.2015, 14:37
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They are interested in improving their economy which not only will improve the living standard of the People but will also make Iran the dominant power in the Region, in times when Iraq and Pakistan are relatively weak
Indeed, also patient and long term planners so a ten year delay in their nuclear developments is nothing.
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Maybe somebody should take Obama to the library and hit him in the head with a candlestick so he could get a clue that the Iranian government is more interested in regional dominance than they are in bettering the lives of the people of their country
a trip to the library would educate Obama to the fact that the actions of the US are principally responsible for all of the anti-US sentiment in Iran since 1953. it would also educate him to the fact that Iran is not now, and has never been, a threat to the US, but rather a threat to Saudi, aka Sunni, powers in the region.

as an educated American, I find my country's continued insistence on portraying Iran as some kind of evil empire contrary to history, shortsighted and counter-productive. we overthrew their government and effectively stole their oil for 25 years, it should not surprise us that there is animosity and it should not be beyond us to try remedying the situation through diplomatic channels.

considering the heritage of nearly all of the 9/11 terrorists and the source of the vast majority of all funding of terrorism in the region, my personal view is that it is time to start sussing out whether a region dominated by Iran might be better for US interests than a region dominated by Saudi Arabia.
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a trip to the library would educate Obama to the fact that the actions of the US are principally responsible for all of the anti-US sentiment in Iran since 1953. it would also educate him to the fact that Iran is not now, and has never been, a threat to the US, but rather a threat to Saudi, aka Sunni, powers in the region.

as an educated American, I find my country's continued insistence on portraying Iran as some kind of evil empire contrary to history, shortsighted and counter-productive. we overthrew their government and effectively stole their oil for 25 years, it should not surprise us that there is animosity and it should not be beyond us to try remedying the situation through diplomatic channels.

considering the heritage of nearly all of the 9/11 terrorists and the source of the vast majority of all funding of terrorism in the region, my personal view is that it is time to start sussing out whether a region dominated by Iran might be better for US interests than a region dominated by Saudi Arabia.

in spite of its oil and money, the KSA cannot and does not dominate the Region, due to lack of real substance. Iran cannot dominate as it is non-Arab, B U T of course CAN and WILL play a heavy role not least due to its industrial capabilities.. While the future of Syria is difficult to estimate, I expect Iraq to regain its Position as the Eastern Pillar of the Arab World (Egypt in the centre and Morocco-.plus-Algeria in the West)


The actual weakness of the KSA may become a major problem within the next two decades. A breakup of the KSA may prompt Yemen to try to regain the Asir area, Oman to take slices of the Rub-al-Khali, and Kuwait to get parts of the el-Hasa plus the Hashemites moving into the Hedjaz again
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a trip to the library would educate Obama to the fact that the actions of the US are principally responsible for all of the anti-US sentiment in Iran since 1953. it would also educate him to the fact that Iran is not now, and has never been, a threat to the US, but rather a threat to Saudi, aka Sunni, powers in the region.

as an educated American, I find my country's continued insistence on portraying Iran as some kind of evil empire contrary to history, shortsighted and counter-productive. we overthrew their government and effectively stole their oil for 25 years, it should not surprise us that there is animosity and it should not be beyond us to try remedying the situation through diplomatic channels.

considering the heritage of nearly all of the 9/11 terrorists and the source of the vast majority of all funding of terrorism in the region, my personal view is that it is time to start sussing out whether a region dominated by Iran might be better for US interests than a region dominated by Saudi Arabia.
How would the U.S benefit from a stronger, more assertive Iran which is still firmly in the Anti-U.S camp ?
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Old 21.07.2015, 14:21
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How would the U.S benefit from a stronger, more assertive Iran which is still firmly in the Anti-U.S camp ?

you might define the anti-US-camp
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Old 21.07.2015, 15:03
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IRAN AIR and the other Iranian Airlines are considering substantial orders of Airbus and Boeing airplanes while the Air Force will get a heavy number of new fighter planes
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Old 21.07.2015, 15:39
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you might define the anti-US-camp
You might stay on topic, The burning flags and "Death to America" might give you a hint.
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Old 21.07.2015, 21:12
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How would the U.S benefit from a stronger, more assertive Iran which is still firmly in the Anti-U.S camp ?
Wrong question. The US simply have no right to interfere.
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Old 21.07.2015, 21:40
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Wrong question. The US simply have no right to interfere.
When the Iran parliament regularly chants "Death to America" then it is possible this attracts US interest and even stimulates interference.
If Iran were smart they could consider being more secretive about their wishes?
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Old 21.07.2015, 21:58
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Wrong question. The US simply have no right to interfere.
Argue with crazygringo who advocates a shift in American policy from Sunni to Shia. Until 1979 both KSA and Iran were pro U. S.

The US has oil interests in the Gulf. Iran will now be in a stronger position to threaten these interests.
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Argue with crazygringo who advocates a shift in American policy from Sunni to Shia. Until 1979 both KSA and Iran were pro U. S.

The US has oil interests in the Gulf. Iran will now be in a stronger position to threaten these interests.
1. Iran was "pro-US" from 1953 to 1979 only because we forcibly inserted our chosen puppet ruler into place.



2. as for KSA, simply following the financing trail for the bulk of the region's "anti-US" terrorism should give a pretty good picture of just how "pro-US" the Saudis really are. those weren't Iranians flying planes into buildings on 9/11.

3. the US does not have any oil interests whatsoever in the region, only private business has interests. Iran, fyi, has oil. private business interests should not dictate foreign policy, especially when that foreign policy puts American lives directly in harm's way.
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When the Iran parliament regularly chants "Death to America" then it is possible this attracts US interest and even stimulates interference.
If Iran were smart they could consider being more secretive about their wishes?
The repeated interfering is at least part of the reason for this type of action. Taking the REaction as reason for additional action is simply <insert pejorative of choice>.

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Argue with crazygringo who advocates a shift in American policy from Sunni to Shia. Until 1979 both KSA and Iran were pro U. S.

The US has oil interests in the Gulf. Iran will now be in a stronger position to threaten these interests.
Having an interest doesn't give the right to interfere. Wrong answer.
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Old 22.07.2015, 09:53
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1. Iran was "pro-US" from 1953 to 1979 only because we forcibly inserted our chosen puppet ruler into place.



2. as for KSA, simply following the financing trail for the bulk of the region's "anti-US" terrorism should give a pretty good picture of just how "pro-US" the Saudis really are. those weren't Iranians flying planes into buildings on 9/11.

3. the US does not have any oil interests whatsoever in the region, only private business has interests. Iran, fyi, has oil. private business interests should not dictate foreign policy, especially when that foreign policy puts American lives directly in harm's way.
I find that recounting of history somewhat shallow. Did you read up on this in depth, or through a magazine article? Was it published by the current government of Iran? I think it glosses over a number of salient topics:
-Context of the Cold War
-The role of Britain
-The role of Iranians themselves
-The present situation

I never saw free oil, and I don't believe US troops were involved in Iran's political turmoil.

I find national interests, which peace is one of them, a much more reliable motive and objective than wishful thinking. But yeah, Obama desperately needed to appear like he accomplished something in his presidency.
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So does this mean we can open an Iranian bank account and get an amazing 27% rate? Anyways, I'm glad Obama finally did something, it may not be perfect, but at least it's putting a foot forward instead of backwards.
It think we are all getting sick of this "Death to them because they want death to us because we want death to them" mantra.
Even a dog gets tired of chasing his tail around.
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The repeated interfering is at least part of the reason for this type of action. Taking the REaction as reason for additional action is simply <insert pejorative of choice>.



Having an interest doesn't give the right to interfere. Wrong answer.
What do you mean by "interfering" ?

Every nation gets the leadership it deserves - The Shah suited Iran and, as is the case of the current Ayatollahs, enjoyed popularity for decades.
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So does this mean we can open an Iranian bank account and get an amazing 27% rate? Anyways, I'm glad Obama finally did something, it may not be perfect, but at least it's putting a foot forward instead of backwards.
It think we are all getting sick of this "Death to them because they want death to us because we want death to them" mantra.
Even a dog gets tired of chasing his tail around.
Quite too early to tell the result of this. Very close comparison to Chamberlain's Nazi appeasement. We'll have to see if Iran uses its economic resources to broaden its support of terrorism and covert proxy wars. I'm sure they will use some of it as protecing Shite security and interests, naturally, and it will be framed as aggression by others. There has been no let up in the chanting of death mantras. Its chiseled into their mission statements. I suspect you will see an arms buildup in the region shortly. And then you can blame Obama and the US for doingi it. Bah!
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Quite too early to tell the result of this. Very close comparison to Chamberlain's Nazi appeasement. We'll have to see if Iran uses its economic resources to broaden its support of terrorism and covert proxy wars. I'm sure they will use some of it as protecing Shite security and interests, naturally, and it will be framed as aggression by others. There has been no let up in the chanting of death mantras. Its chiseled into their mission statements. I suspect you will see an arms buildup in the region shortly. And then you can blame Obama and the US for doingi it. Bah!
Is Iran's involvement in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq , Yemen considered in "Interfering" ?
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