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Jeremy Corbyn 11 36.67%
Owen Smith 7 23.33%
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Jezza seems to have pissed of the British Media Majorly. The whole national anthem thing is a mountain out of a molehill.

How many England footballers sing it at the start of a match?
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Have they realized they elected a teenager to lead?
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Prime Minister's questions going on at the moment. Corbyn's turned up looking like one of his old school masters .
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Does he have any clothes that fit properly??
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The moment of Corbyn's first PMQS captured for posterity. I marvel at how he can just stand up and state the bleeding obvious i.e. PMQS is pure theatre designed for members to score rhetorical points and get laughs whilst dodging the real issues that face Britain.

Its also been said time and again that its not a very female-friendly environment, with the shouting, booing and other boisterous behaviour from middle aged men who should know better

High time it changed IMHO.
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So we've discussed his wardrobe, now I feel it is high time we get an answer on what coffee he drinks. If it is anything more exotic than Nescafe Original with powdered milk then I expect his comrades to be up in arms!!
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Old 16.09.2015, 15:06
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If it is anything more exotic than Nescafe Original with powdered milk then I expect his comrades to be up in arms!!
I guess it isn't, since its not made with Fair Trade beans from a Colombian Coop.
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I guess it isn't, since its not made with Fair Trade beans from a Colombian Coop.
"British Labour leader in Columbian Drug Scandal"
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Okay, let me try this once on you: Focusing exclusively on Corbyn is like focusing on the straw man in a straw man argument.

You have to give it bandwidth and 110%.
Oh dear, I don't understand any of this. Could you take me through your points (I think there are two) really slowly?
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Old 16.09.2015, 15:51
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Oh dear, I don't understand any of this. Could you take me through your points (I think there are two) really slowly?
Oh never mind. Corbyn isn't really the issue, and it would be foolish for the Conservatives to believe they already have the next election in the bag.
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Left wing can be as extreme as right wing when it comes to nationalism.

There's a lot of the electorate who don't remember the 70's, 80's or even 90's, but are suffering from the banking crisis, student loans and high house prices etc, and voting Labour holds no fear for them.

Marine Le Pen carefully moved her Party towards the centre. She may go ahead in the first round (26% against Sarkozy with 25%) but then will fail in the second round
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Marine Le Pen carefully moved her Party towards the centre. She may go ahead in the first round but then will fail in the second round
Indeed, and don't forget what Venizelos did after that incident with the tzatziki at the Grande Bretagne.

It's all revelant, isn't?
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Indeed, and don't forget what Venizelos did after that incident with the tzatziki at the Grande Bretagne.

It's all revelant, isn't?


Mr Hollande still has a real Chance also to be the NEXT Président de la République as it is not clear how much backing Mr Sarkozy has
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Old 16.09.2015, 16:44
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Regarding nationalising the rail system - Switzerland, Germany, the Netherlands, and France are all proof that, if administered correctly, a nationalised train system can work and work very well. DB is a national rail company, that is run as if it is a private company. I see no reason that couldn't be the case in the UK. Any good that has come out of the UK Rail system being privatised has been counterbalanced with the greed of the operators, and the battering they have delivered to travellers, in the form of repeated and unjustified price rises.
1) DB already do run train services in the UK. DB own Arriva Trains for example who run the Chiltern Trains services out of Marylebone, as well as most trains in Wales and also some other operations across the UK.

2) Switzerland, which you cite as an example, already has heaps of private railways. Of the countries 5,000km of railways, 2,000km are not at all owned by SBB but by smaller and medium sized companies owned by the cantons, Gemeindes etc and with still a good showing of private shareholders hanging on. I own shares in several of them.

3) The real good that has come out of UK privatization is that the government can no longer ride roughshod over the railway system as they used to. They sign an operating deal with a private company and transfer the responsibility for a given line or area to them coupled with certain goals with which their payments are coupled. Once signed, the government cannot easily worm out and this leads to continuity and predictability and as we can see from growing passenger numbers, its what passengers want. Back in BR's days, money would be thrown at a service on one day and it would be axed on the next because some minister had changed his mind. Furthermore, private companies compete and this drives innovation. When BR was run be the state, and somebody said, why can't we do this, they would often say, it's impossible but we won't explain why because you won't understand. Technical babble was used to cover laziness and managerial unwillingness to leave their comfort zone. Nowadays you can say, OK if Virgin Trains say its impossible we'll give the contract to Stagecoach who say otherwise. That would bring Virgin back to the negotiating table pretty quickly.
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Mr Hollande still has a real Chance also to be the NEXT Président de la République as it is not clear how much backing Mr Sarkozy has
Indeed.

How's Indira Gandhi's chances looking these days?
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Indeed.

How's Indira Gandhi's chances looking these days?
She won't get into the second round because a fellow in Avignon is voting for Marine Le Pen, or maybe for her daddy. It's all so complicated these days and difficult to understand.
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Corbyn! noooot! unless he stops taking kremlin money and is not hanging out with antisemites. thx.
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Indeed, and don't forget what Venizelos did after that incident with the tzatziki at the Grande Bretagne.

It's all revelant, isn't?
It would be so interesting to get inside Wolli's head and see just how his thought processes work. They sure as heck don't work the same way as the rest of us.
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1) DB already do run train services in the UK. DB own Arriva Trains for example who run the Chiltern Trains services out of Marylebone, as well as most trains in Wales and also some other operations across the UK.

2) Switzerland, which you cite as an example, already has heaps of private railways. Of the countries 5,000km of railways, 2,000km are not at all owned by SBB but by smaller and medium sized companies owned by the cantons, Gemeindes etc and with still a good showing of private shareholders hanging on. I own shares in several of them.

3) The real good that has come out of UK privatization is that the government can no longer ride roughshod over the railway system as they used to. They sign an operating deal with a private company and transfer the responsibility for a given line or area to them coupled with certain goals with which their payments are coupled. Once signed, the government cannot easily worm out and this leads to continuity and predictability and as we can see from growing passenger numbers, its what passengers want. Back in BR's days, money would be thrown at a service on one day and it would be axed on the next because some minister had changed his mind. Furthermore, private companies compete and this drives innovation. When BR was run be the state, and somebody said, why can't we do this, they would often say, it's impossible but we won't explain why because you won't understand. Technical babble was used to cover laziness and managerial unwillingness to leave their comfort zone. Nowadays you can say, OK if Virgin Trains say its impossible we'll give the contract to Stagecoach who say otherwise. That would bring Virgin back to the negotiating table pretty quickly.

1) Exactly my point - the ventures are successful enough to warrant them investing their money elsewhere, in the UK. They make literally millions of £ by doing so - profit that is not going to British people.


2) In the bit I mentioned about public services being run as private businesses, this is one of the things I meant. A national rail service can, as you point out, have private shareholders, but the majority shareholder should be the state. I'm not aware that Corbyn has suggested complete and lasting control of all railways by the state. A nationalised railway is not necessarily completely owned by the state. Case in point; you.


3. It most certainly is not what the majority of non-first class passengers want. Passenger numbers have not gone up because people think the trains are a lovely way to spend a lot of money and time. Passenger numbers would likely go up regardless of the owner, if the route is appropriate and is served appropriately, whether by private or national rail. Regarding your point about technical babble and whatnot - appoint proper management. You cant conclude that an entire system is poor, based on its (mis)management. If what you say was true, why do we not see the same urge to privatise in Germany, Switzerland and the Netherlands? Piss poor management does not equate to a piss poor system.


PS, you cant say that to Virgin, they have the contract for another 10 years. You just signed the contract that lets them say p*** off to the government. As long as they meet the terms of the contract the businessmen negotiated (not the passengers, note), they are free to do pretty much what they like. Case in point - near tripling of certain fares due to suddenly deciding not to allow certain railcards anymore, on what is already a profitable route. True, you might be able to award it to somebody else in 10 years, but what about until then? And what if, after 10 years, they're still the cheapest company?


The tender system used does drive companies to compete, I will grant you that - but only to the minimum level required, at the lowest possible cost. There is very, very little incentive to improve the things not directly related to the tender. Quality always suffers, as they seek to recoup their costs and maintain or grow profits by shafting train users.
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Rail Nationalisation; maybe Britain will get lucky and they will find another Dr. Beeching to close 2,000 stations.


I hope they leave the small private companies alone who have taken over axed rail lines and made them into popular attractions.
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