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Old 06.08.2015, 14:36
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That quote is nearly 4 years old (Nov 2011) so what are the figures now?
Much worse than the EU average, according to 2013-2014 data...

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Immigrants in Sweden are now more than twice as likely to be unemployed as their native counterparts.
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Re: Calais

Over half of the migrants who will seek asylum in Germany this year will be from the Balkans. Last time I checked there was no war going on there.

http://www.thelocal.de/20150807/germ...asylum-seekers
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Over half of the migrants who will seek asylum in Germany this year will be from the Balkans. Last time I checked there was no war going on there.

http://www.thelocal.de/20150807/germ...asylum-seekers
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Bavaria state has proposed separating migrants from the Balkans on arrival and placing them in temporary shelters near the border for a speedy return.

The aim is "rapid asylum procedures for people who have no prospect of being able to stay, to relieve the system," said the premier of the conservative southern state, Horst Seehofer.

The Bavarian plan has met with indignation on the political left and among migrant rights groups.
Migrant groups indignant about quicker send-home procedures... shocking.

This plan sounds like what everyone should be doing, securely isolate and detain the migrants away everyone else, process them quickly, and separate the genuine asylum and refugee cases from the vast majority of people simply trying to get into Europe for a better life.
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Old 07.08.2015, 10:48
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Re: Calais

Somebody needs to explain to somebody that Europe is ecologically and environmentally already way beyond its carrying capacity to support life. Notice how most food and energy is imported.

if everybody from over there were to move over here, we may not have anyone to import from. This would be a really awful place to live, and many of us will have to seek "asylum" in the New World again.

I bet you can make some really fine wine in places like Syria and Northern African.
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Re: Calais

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German authorities face a backlog of 250,000 asylum bids amid an unprecedented influx of migrants that could reach nearly 500,000 over the course of 2015, the Federal Office for Migration and Refugees (BAMF) reported late Monday. "That number sounds enormous, and in fact it is enormous," BAMF President Manfred Schmidt told the dpa news agency
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Re: Calais

Aussies have the right idea - turn the boats back.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-33798779

"The boat that they came on has been scuttled and we have been able to stare down that venture," he said, adding that the government's policy was not to allow people arriving "illegally" by boat to settle in Australia."

Europe should adopt a similar policy, i.e. people arriving by illegal means should not be allowed to settle in Europe. There are ways and means to get either a work visa or asylum legally.

Numbers are getting out of hand everywhere.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33818193

Something for Calais which I'm surprised hasn't yet been either suggested or implemented - electrify the fencing surrounding the port and Chunnel.
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Old 07.08.2015, 16:39
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Aussies have the right idea - turn the boats back.
Is the EU not allowed to currently do that? If a boatload of people without passports is headed towards an EU land, they can't turn them back? If you try to enter the EU at an airport without a passport, you are refused entry, but by boat it's ok?

It doesn't sound like the EU can continue to keep accepting these boatloads of people at this rate anyway....


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"On most of the Greek islands, there is no reception capacity; people are not sleeping under any form of roof," Cochetel told reporters.


"It's total chaos on the islands. After a couple of days they are transferred to Athens; there is nothing waiting for them in Athens," he said, adding that he had "never seen a situation like that."
What kind of "reception" was promised by the human traffickers?
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Old 07.08.2015, 17:26
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Re: Calais

If they want to abide by the various agreements they've signed up to on human rights/asylum then no, I don't think they can. Or they simply don't have the guts to do so.

Seems to work for the Aussies, this is the first boat in a year so certainly stemmed the flow in their direction from the looks of things. They've had a lot of flak over it, but it does seem to be working.

If this carries on Switzerland won't have to worry about negotiating with the EU on the Free Movement Agreement because it will simply collapse. Nations cannot and will not simply accept hundreds of thousands of migrants turning up on their doorsteps illegally. Perhaps if we were still in the boom times things might be different, but many countries are struggling to help their own people and others are desperately trying not to end up in the same situation.

Perhaps all the migrants should be shipped off to China to help rebuild the Great Wall.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...rd-disappeared
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Re: Calais

I'd like to share a newspaper article (TA online, 7.8.2015) it's in German unfortunately.
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/ausland/...PopularComment
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Over half of the migrants who will seek asylum in Germany this year will be from the Balkans. Last time I checked there was no war going on there.

http://www.thelocal.de/20150807/germ...asylum-seekers

NOT wars as such, but Gypsies from much of the Balkan suffer from harsh discrimination and the same applies to
- Serbs in Kosovo
- Albanians in Serbia
plus the General misery of the Region











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Re: Calais

True asylum seekers, whose lives are endangered, should be protected until the danger has passed. 20 years ago we protected all sides in the Yugoslavian wars, and when they ended we sent nearly all the people back home again. I think this is the correct way.

Accepting economic migrants, or those that are discriminated against, is not acceptable. Often the people are young and male, and are needed in their countries to rebuild something from the disaster. There we should be giving necessary equipment and training, (not money: that will come back to a private bank account in Geneva! )
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Re: Calais

http://www.theguardian.com/media/ng-...ssay?CMP=fb_gu

Interesting read from the Guardian.
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Re: Calais

A Berlin based artists group called Peng! has launched a campaign encouraging people to help migrants reach Germany from other european countries.

"Gerade im Urlaub in Serbien oder Norditalien? Und mal wieder mit dem Auto hingefahren? Warum auf dem Rückweg nach Berlin oder Brandenburg nicht einen Flüchtling auf dem Rücksitz mitnehmen?"

"On holiday in Serbia or northern Italy ? And once again went there by car ? Why not take on the way back to Berlin or Brandenburg a refugee in the backseat ?"

As well as practical people smuggling tips, they also provide legal assistance should anyone be arrested for following their advice.

http://www.rbb-online.de/politik/bei...iv-berlin.html

https://youtu.be/kYszLc6iYTU
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Re: Calais

I have the sneaky feeling that I might be an "economic migrant" myself.
There but for the grace of god (or fortune) etc.
I am really shocked by some of these comments, and then from a bunch of foreigners to boot. No room for the milk of human kindness here. More like "I would`t piss on yer if you was on fire".
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I have the sneaky feeling that I might be an "economic migrant" myself.
There but for the grace of god (or fortune) etc.
I am really shocked by some of these comments, and then from a bunch of foreigners to boot. No room for the milk of human kindness here. More like "I would`t piss on yer if you was on fire".
I suspect you're an economic migrant that hasn't moved somewhere to sponge of the state though, and have a few more skills than a pair of hands to offer.

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Aussies have the right idea - turn the boats back.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-33798779

"The boat that they came on has been scuttled and we have been able to stare down that venture," he said, adding that the government's policy was not to allow people arriving "illegally" by boat to settle in Australia."

Europe should adopt a similar policy, i.e. people arriving by illegal means should not be allowed to settle in Europe. There are ways and means to get either a work visa or asylum legally.

Numbers are getting out of hand everywhere.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33818193

Something for Calais which I'm surprised hasn't yet been either suggested or implemented - electrify the fencing surrounding the port and Chunnel.
I think it has to be much stronger than "turn them back" - they should tow the boat back to shallow waters and scuttle them there - rather than what is currently happening - the smugglers are scuttling the boats as soon as rescue vessels come into view.
Without a very strong disincentive to come - say a very high probability of lack of success - or the removal of the welfare state in the EU - which is politically unpalatable - this won't end.
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I have the sneaky feeling that I might be an "economic migrant" myself.
There but for the grace of god (or fortune) etc.
I am really shocked by some of these comments, and then from a bunch of foreigners to boot. No room for the milk of human kindness here. More like "I would`t piss on yer if you was on fire".
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I suspect you're an economic migrant that hasn't moved somewhere to sponge of the state though, and have a few more skills then a pair of hands to offer.
Exactly. I assume snapsterone has come through the proper channels, applying for his job or coming as a spouse/dependent/whatever of someone who has. That's quite different from people coming in illegally just because they think they'll get a better paying job elsewhere. There's nothing wrong with being a migrant, economic or otherwise, providing you abide by the rules of the country you wish to enter. None of these people are.
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I think it has to be much stronger than "turn them back" - they should tow the boat back to shallow waters and scuttle them there - rather than what is currently happening - the smugglers are scuttling the boats as soon as rescue vessels come into view.
Without a very strong disincentive to come - say a very high probability of lack of success - or the removal of the welfare state in the EU - which is politically unpalatable - this won't end.
Good idea! Would you like to be the first? How shallow would you like it?
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