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I suspect you're an economic migrant that hasn't moved somewhere to sponge of the state though, and have a few more skills than a pair of hands to offer.
Presumably so. But he wouldn't have a good many of those skills were it not for the schooling he had. Which is impossible to get for the vast majority of the population in many countries.
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Good idea! Would you like to be the first? How shallow would you like it?
First what ??? And shallow enough that the accusations of misconduct aimed at EU vessels could easily be countered with arguments about migrants' safety.
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Old 10.08.2015, 17:58
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Re: Calais

It seems, according to the Telegraph, that you are a migrant if you are heading to the UK but an expat if you are leaving

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...nel-to-UK.html

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[QUOTE=parnell;2431298]First what ???

First to be towed to shallow water. It seemed clear enough. Would you like me to translate it into another language?
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Old 10.08.2015, 18:08
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Presumably so. But he wouldn't have a good many of those skills were it not for the schooling he had. Which is impossible to get for the vast majority of the population in many countries.
So why not stay in the country where you are and try and do something about it and improve the conditions there? Is the answer for Europe to take on the responsibility for schooling the rest of the world?
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Old 10.08.2015, 18:14
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First what ???

First to be towed to shallow water. It seemed clear enough. Would you like me to translate it into another language?
No not clear enough without a complete sentence. Kindly cut the snarkiness.
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No not clear enough without a complete sentence. Kindly cut the snarkiness.
I feel your pain.
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So why not stay in the country where you are and try and do something about it and improve the conditions there? Is the answer for Europe to take on the responsibility for schooling the rest of the world?
Good idea, send us a postcard when you get back home.
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Old 10.08.2015, 22:14
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I have the sneaky feeling that I might be an "economic migrant" myself.
There but for the grace of god (or fortune) etc.
I am really shocked by some of these comments, and then from a bunch of foreigners to boot. No room for the milk of human kindness here. More like "I would`t piss on yer if you was on fire".
These people are already in France, and they want to get to the UK, which seems to be more selectivity of opportunity than some life threatening situation in France. At this point, they can apply and wait, no? Furthermore, they are all abled bodied young people. They can certainly run and even battle the police. I think I would have more sympathy if they were old people, people on crutches, or women with children.
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Old 10.08.2015, 22:29
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A Berlin based artists group called Peng! has launched a campaign encouraging people to help migrants reach Germany from other european countries.
So Peng issues an edict. Not unlike a religious leader,or a leftist; none of whom lift a finger of their own out of their own resources. I find it more parasitical, like leeching, than acting out of compassion.
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I think I would have more sympathy if they were old people, people on crutches, or women with children.
Here you go: women and children sheltering in the makeshift church in the "jungle" camp in Calais.



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Re: Calais

Not many females & children, considering there are 3 to 5'000 in those camps at Calais.
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Old 10.08.2015, 23:10
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Not many females & children, considering there are 3 to 5'000 in those camps at Calais.
Not many is too many.
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Old 10.08.2015, 23:18
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These people are already in France, and they want to get to the UK, which seems to be more selectivity of opportunity than some life threatening situation in France. At this point, they can apply and wait, no? Furthermore, they are all abled bodied young people. They can certainly run and even battle the police. I think I would have more sympathy if they were old people, people on crutches, or women with children.
I don't have ANY sympathy...many countries' resources in the EU are stretched already - allowing more empty mouths who don't speak the language and have little hope of forming part of the productive workforce in the short term is just storing up trouble for the future.

Even in Ireland the unemployment rate amongst Nigerians - a very large part of the immigrant population due to their exploitation of immigration laws is much higher than any other nationality - 39%
http://www.thejournal.ie/one-in-five...34685-Jul2012/


Despite this they managed to send home (i.e. to Nigeria) 26000 euro for every man woman and child in the country in 2011.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29278045.html

Again most of these people are not true asylum seekers but welfare tourists.
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lol, an Irishman complaining about welfare tourists!
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lol, an Irishman complaining about welfare tourists!
If you had some data to back up your stereotype then it wouldn't be so easy to label you as a bigot - which is what you appear to be.

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The research shows more than four times as many Britons obtain unemployment benefits in Germany as Germans do in the UK, while the number of jobless Britons receiving benefits in Ireland exceeds their Irish counterparts in the UK by a rate of five to one.
Then not just a bigot but a misinformed one.

I don't have anything good to say about welfare tourists from ANY country.
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If you had some data to back up your stereotype then it wouldn't be so easy to label you as a bigot - which is what you appear to be.

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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...im-benefits-eu



Then not just a bigot but a misinformed one.

I don't have anything good to say about welfare tourists from ANY country.
And by how much does the population of the United Kingdom exceed that of Ireland?

I've spent enough time in the Jobcentres in Manchester to know who's taking the piss here.
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Not many females & children, considering there are 3 to 5'000 in those camps at Calais.
From 2014 asylum data, 70% of applicants were male, and the bulk of them aged 18-34.

...and I can see why them come:
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Asylum seekers are supposed to be granted the right to a job within nine months of arrival.
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I have the sneaky feeling that I might be an "economic migrant" myself.
There but for the grace of god (or fortune) etc.
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Just hide in a corner and wait till will pass.
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Just hide in a corner and wait till will pass.
I am lucky. I have got a corner to hide in.
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