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So they did not to take the proposed 2700 because they welcome the refugees. Must be because there aren't enough then
Whatever, I just illustrate it is not true 'they do not want to take any' (although obviously this is not a completely altruistic gesture of solidarity). Plus, with only 10 applications from Syria per month, there might not be enough who want to settle in Poland indeed if there are other options. Ideally any safe place should be enough, but Poland's negative migration balance does not promise a bright future in the eyes of many. Moreover, with less than 2% foreign inhabitants, it is a terrible country for immigrants, especially people of colour. There are levels of racism that are unheard of in Western Europe.
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Not necessarily, never given a red blob to anybody on this forum and have no intentions to do so.
Don't tell me you always agree not only with what's being said here, but also with how is being said.

Anyway, good for you. It's better to get "involved" as little as possible.
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Whatever, I just illustrate it is not true 'they do not want to take any' (although obviously this is not a completely altruistic gesture of solidarity). Plus, with only 10 applications from Syria per month, there might not be enough who want to settle in Poland indeed if there are other options.
I just had a phone call with a friend in Hungary and she told me the streets outside her appartment are full of dark skinned people who weren't there before (as in a year ago). The neighbours are generally sceptical down to outright hostile and feel the government is ignoring them. She says these people probably don't want to stay in Hungary but are trying to move on to Germany and Britain. But their presence is intimidating and there are reports of them stealing stuff and using violence to get their way.

So even if maybe countries like that are not officially taking on many refugees, they are there neverthless feeling a strain on society and the system.
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So even if maybe countries like that are not officially taking on many refugees, they are there neverthless feeling a strain on society and the system.
I'm not sure what these countries want. Should Italy and Greece take all the refuges then? I think it's fair that every EU member accept some of the refuges. (though I'm almost sure that most would like to reach Sweden, Germany, UK etc. )
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There is zero reason whatsoever why anyone should have to justify a groan or a thanks if they don't want to, I can only suggest that Sbrinz toughen the chuff up and stop taking everything so personally and seriously where forums are concerned.
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I just had a phone call with a friend in Hungary and she told me the streets outside her appartment are full of dark skinned people who weren't there before (as in a year ago). The neighbours are generally sceptical down to outright hostile and feel the government is ignoring them. She says these people probably don't want to stay in Hungary but are trying to move on to Germany and Britain. But their presence is intimidating and there are reports of them stealing stuff and using violence to get their way.

So even if maybe countries like that are not officially taking on many refugees, they are there neverthless feeling a strain on society and the system.
True, they don't want to be sent to the poorer counties, they don't get the kind of money there like they would get in Scandinavia, or to a lesser extent UK and Germany. Only recently (again) refugee boats have declined to be rescued by the Maltese coastguard and instead demanded to be rescued by the Italians.http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...l-boats.566735
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Drag the boat straight back to Libya then burn it. Gaddafi said he was holding back the tide... the dam is well and truely leaking now.
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Drag the boat straight back to Libya then burn it. Gaddafi said he was holding back the tide... the dam is well and truely leaking now.
Hmm it would seem that there is a way out of the crisis after all.http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...efugees.569810

…just take the rich ones..!
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Hmm it would seem that there is a way out of the crisis after all.http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...efugees.569810

…just take the rich ones..!
Does Malta still sell passports? I seem to remember that during the crises, investing €500k would get you naturalized immediately if wanted, or something along these lines.

Perhaps that should be expanded upon
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Hearing interviews with some of the migrants, they were asked why England instead of France or italy etc. One of the reasons they have the UK as their preferred destination is that English is their second language and they find other languages very difficult
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Does Malta still sell passports? I seem to remember that during the crises, investing €500k would get you naturalized immediately if wanted, or something along these lines.

Perhaps that should be expanded upon
Why yes indeed they do..
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...g-board.567734
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Hearing interviews with some of the migrants, they were asked why England instead of France or italy etc. One of the reasons they have the UK as their preferred destination is that English is their second language and they find other languages very difficult
It's not only about language...the UK is a much more open society than continental Europe.

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It's not only about language...the UK is a much more open society than continental Europe. If I was a non-white person, I would also prefer to live there than in a country where human pigs burn down and attack refugees almost every day. If I was a West German taxpayer, I'd be very pissed that my "solidarity tax" goes also to support the low life of such ossi scum...

Hipocritically, the same east german economic refugees then complain like babies that in Switzerland they feel discriminated, while they are still treated 1000 times better than how they and their fellow countrymen treat foreigners in the vaterland...
Yeh! IF I was a groaner you would be like sooo groaned at right now your ears would still be ringing from the sound.
I probably paid more Soli than you and I never minded, but why, do I ask, do you pick on the German right wing spectrum, where as you can read for yourself that the Danish, Norwegian, Polish, Finnish, Spanish, Dutch, Belgian, British, Portuguese, yadda, yadda, yadda right wingers do the same kind of shit and not pick on the right wing spectrum as a world wide phenomena? Is it because Germans= NAZI in your eyes? WTF is wrong with you?
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Yeh! IF I was a groaner you would be like sooo groaned at right now your ears would still be ringing from the sound.
I probably paid more Soli than you and I never minded, but why, do I ask, do you pick on the German right wing spectrum, where as you can read for yourself that the Danish, Norwegian, Polish, Finnish, Spanish, Dutch, Belgian, British, Portuguese, yadda, yadda, yadda right wingers do the same kind of shit and not pick on the right wing spectrum as a world wide phenomena? Is it because Germans= NAZI in your eyes? WTF is wrong with you?
Of course there are tons of good Germans (the majority, who also risk their physical well-being and life by protesting against neo-nazis, delivering food and medical aid to refugees, etc...), but unfortunately for them they live in a country which is "systematically" xenofobic...

In Denmark, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, etc...refugees hostels are not burned down or attacked almost on a daily basis. Even in Switzerland...show me such a level of violence and hate toward refugees, even from the SVP. SVP's xenofobia is "middle class" xenofobia, they hurt you with words, no more.
NPD and even AfD's xenofobia tacitly approves hurting refugees with bullets and knifes, not only words...

There was also no such thing as the NSU far-right terrorism in Switzerland, Denmark, Noway, etc...at best underlooked by authorities, if not tacitly approved. I expect the trial against the only NSU survivor (ugly woman) to be very slow, full of cover-ups, and probably not delivering justice...

You don't need to stupidly equate Germans = Nazi...just look for example at the German educational system, still very much class-based and nationality-based, making it everything possible to make sure that children of immigrant families (also white non-German ones) gets as little access to the Gymnasium and then to University as possible.
It makes me mad the idea that the future of a little Einstein, or Obama, has to be decided by some grumpy, frustrated, underpaid teacher, rather than later by himself when he decides what to do with his life...

There are tons of ways Germans is still a xenofobic country, while not being "nazi" in the traditional sense.

Rostock, Hoysverda and Sollingen happened less than 30 years ago, not 70 years ago...and Kohl (good riddance to this closet-nazi when he passes out), by not attending the funeral of the Turkish family who was burned alive, or by criticizing left-wingers who went to Rostock to show solidarity with the refugees...was tacitly approving the pogroms...

You can also find neo-nazi sympathizers among the CDU and CSU local politicians, especially in the eastern districts...basically to win a few more votes.

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Hearing interviews with some of the migrants, they were asked why England instead of France or italy etc. One of the reasons they have the UK as their preferred destination is that English is their second language and they find other languages very difficult
Sounds as if they need to join the EF
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I'm not sure what these countries want. Should Italy and Greece take all the refuges then? I think it's fair that every EU member accept some of the refuges. (though I'm almost sure that most would like to reach Sweden, Germany, UK etc. )
Maybe Greece could use this as leverage with the EU.

You forgive us our debt and we police our border more professionally.

I wonder if anybody has run the figures whether it might actually be cheaper long term.
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Of course there are tons of good Germans (the majority, who also risk their physical well-being and life by protesting against neo-nazis, delivering food and medical aid to refugees, etc...), but unfortunately for them they live in a country which is "systematically" xenofobic...

In Denmark, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, etc...refugees hostels are not burned down or attacked almost on a daily basis. Even in Switzerland...show me such a level of violence and hate toward refugees, even from the SVP. SVP's xenofobia is "middle class" xenofobia, they hurt you with words, no more.
NPD and even AfD's xenofobia tacitly approves hurting refugees with bullets and knifes, not only words...

There was also no such thing as the NSU far-right terrorism in Switzerland, Denmark, Noway, etc...at best underlooked by authorities, if not tacitly approved. I expect the trial against the only NSU survivor (ugly woman) to be very slow, full of cover-ups, and probably not delivering justice...

You don't need to stupidly equate Germans = Nazi...just look for example at the German educational system, still very much class-based and nationality-based, making it everything possible to make sure that children of immigrant families (also white non-German ones) gets as little access to the Gymnasium and then to University as possible.
It makes me mad the idea that the future of a little Einstein, or Obama, has to be decided by some grumpy, frustrated, underpaid teacher, rather than later by himself when he decides what to do with his life...

There are tons of ways Germans is still a xenofobic country, while not being "nazi" in the traditional sense.

Rostock, Hoysverda and Sollingen happened less than 30 years ago, not 70 years ago...and Kohl (good riddance to this closet-nazi when he passes out), by not attending the funeral of the Turkish family who was burned alive, or by criticizing left-wingers who went to Rostock to show solidarity with the refugees...was tacitly approving the pogroms...

You can also find neo-nazi sympathizers among the CDU and CSU local politicians, especially in the eastern districts...basically to win a few more votes.
Kohl a closet Nazi? You do know that Kohl ,die Birne, is CDU and not CSU, Seriously I can't be arzed to go through and C/P reports of pan-European right wing attacks on refugees, and I am not gonna do the tit for tat tango.
Just take it from me that other countries have right wing problems that result in murder, not just Germany. And as for the German education system? Well it gives equal opportunities to all, the deck is not stacked particularly against immigrant children, however there is no such thing as "affirmative action" and there are no special privileges for the children of immigrants, it's a case of: "if you can't compete, you can't compete..!" Simple.
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I've already said on another thread that the two armies should step in. A few hundred troops patrolling the perimeters - with orders to shoot if necessary - would do wonders for security of the two sites.

The Road Haulage Association and Nigel Farage have also called on the UK government to send British troops in.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33699141
orders to shoot to kill? Wow
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orders to shoot to kill? Wow
Perhaps "military intervention" is the only solution. Should I bring a rocket launcher and flame thrower or would a pointed stick do?
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