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But doing so would be to stoop to his level of childishness.

The race to the bottom never has a good outcome. Not for the winner and not for the loser.
I see your point but I disagree - childishness isn't acceptable for someone who claims to be a successful business man and is running for US president.

Blocking him would send a powerful message that the law isn't discriminatory - any form of racism on that scale is unacceptable.
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Indeed.

And for that matter perfectly entitled to stay in his own country if he want's to spout off racist nonsense.

He's hardly in a position to complain about another country closing its borders to people they don't want.
Again, any ideology where people can be converted is not a race.

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Old 10.12.2015, 10:34
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Again, any ideology where people can be converted is not a race.
ahem, cough cough



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Old 10.12.2015, 10:47
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Again, any ideology where people can be converted is not a race.

Yeah, but let's be honest here: the overwhelming majority of Muslims, in North America, Europe, or worldwide, have some shade of brown skin.


Just as not all critics of Israel are antisemites - but quite a lot of them probaby are - so not all critics of Islam are racists - but quite a lot of them probably are.


I suspect Mr Trump probably is, because he's shown himself to be an objectionable tit in most other aspects: so why not add racist cockwomble to the list?
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Old 10.12.2015, 10:50
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Again, any ideology where people can be converted is not a race.

Fine but that's pedantry - UK law defines (most) crimes in this area as "Race or Religion" related.
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Old 10.12.2015, 11:12
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Yeah, but let's be honest here: the overwhelming majority of Muslims, in North America, Europe, or worldwide, have some shade of brown skin.
And there have been plenty of hate attacks on Sikhs and Hindus for looking 'Muslim'. I blame Aladdin.

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I didn't care until I discovered that he was an active supporter of terrorism in the 1990s.

That bastard can stay in New York, thank you very much.
I was truly amazed to find out how many very well to do Americans of Irish descent, including top business people. CEOs of large companies, etc- did massive fundraising for that particular terrorist group.
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Old 10.12.2015, 11:35
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I see your point but I disagree - childishness isn't acceptable for someone who claims to be a successful business man and is running for US president.

Blocking him would send a powerful message that the law isn't discriminatory - any form of racism on that scale is unacceptable.
I disagree.

I bet most people who signed the petition did so because they didn't like what he was saying rather than his right to say it. So basically they want to ban him because they disagree with him. They're not banning him because they think as a matter of principle that people who want to ban people ought to be banned. That would imply all those who signed the petition should also want themselves banned.

No miss. He started it miss.
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Old 10.12.2015, 11:36
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Philadelphia mayor, Michael Nutter calls Trump an 'asshole' in a very classy manner.

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Old 10.12.2015, 11:39
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I was truly amazed to find out how many very well to do Americans of Irish descent, including top business people. CEOs of large companies, etc- did massive fundraising for that particular terrorist group.

The United States, being a nation of immigrants - many of whom have rather romantic notions of "the Old Country" - has long been one of the world's greatest sources of income for all sorts of nasty terrorist groups.


The irony has never failed to amuse me.
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I disagree.

I bet most people who signed the petition did so because they didn't like what he was saying rather than his right to say it. So basically they want to ban him because they disagree with him. They're not banning him because they think as a matter of principle that people who want to ban people ought to be banned. That would imply all those who signed the petition should also want themselves banned.

No miss. He started it miss.
How do you know that? You are making totally unsubstantiated assumptions here. I know a great many people who signed yesterday who clearly did so for the principle- and who are definitely not Muslims at all!
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I disagree.

I bet most people who signed the petition did so because they didn't like what he was saying rather than his right to say it. So basically they want to ban him because they disagree with him. They're not banning him because they think as a matter of principle that people who want to ban people ought to be banned. That would imply all those who signed the petition should also want themselves banned.

No miss. He started it miss.
We have no way of knowing, and that's why the petition system is pretty good - it will trigger a debate in parliament, so even if it's a knee-jerk reaction from the public, it will handled through the normal checks and balances.
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Old 10.12.2015, 11:53
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How do you know that? You are making totally unsubstantiated assumptions here. I know a great many people who signed yesterday who clearly did so for the principle- and who are definitely not Muslims at all!
Some claity could have been made if they had formulated it as follows

We the undersigned demand that any person saying that any persons be banned from entering their country be banned from entering this country forthwith.

Those signing shall be excluded from this ban because the others started it and we are the good guys.

Sign here ................
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Old 10.12.2015, 11:55
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Some claity could have been made if they had formulated it as follows

We the undersigned demand that any person saying that any persons be banned from entering their country be banned from entering this country forthwith.

Those signing shall be excluded from this ban because the others started it.

Sign here ................
Nothing stopping you doing that, it's an open system for UK residents and citizens.

But that is not what the original one asked, no matter your interpretation.
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Old 10.12.2015, 12:07
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This in my opinion is the biggest reason he needs to be kept out of the White House.

Mr. Trump is bombastic and outrageous for a reason. It is a technique he uses in business that has worked wonders for him. And his application of it in politics appears to be paying off for him at this point in time.

The way the style work is to come up front with something large, something outrageous, something to shock. He then uses that to barter and negotiate forward. And then comes what seems like a compromise that makes him look like a totally reasonable person. He then structures a deal, which is farther along than where he started, or farther than he would have gotten, had he gone at it timidly. He's known for this, and he's accomplished many things this way.

For me, this is a big reason why I would want to keep him out of the white house. I would expect him to try this gambit with other things, and I don't know what would keep him from trying it with thermo-nuclear war at stake. Although i can imagine he could pull it off, the stakes and risks are way too high.
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Old 10.12.2015, 12:13
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The way the style work is to come up front with something large, something outrageous, something to shock. He then uses that to barter and negotiate forward. And then comes what seems like a compromise that makes him look like a totally reasonable person.
Its called the Overton Window.
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Old 10.12.2015, 12:19
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Its called the Overton Window.
Trump calls it "The Art of the Deal". People who do not know Trump would not know this. His supporters know this about him. When he goes off outrageously like this, and his poll numbers go up, it's because they are in on the joke. Nobody in their right minds are really taking a scenario seriously where Muslims are banned from the country, except some who find an opportunity in the statement.

Trump has opened an opportunity here, believe it or not. In this day and age, grievances and victimhood are an industry. It's called PC. I am sure there are minds out there trying to figure out how to parlay what Trump has laid out for their own benefit. I'm sure there are many in the PC industry trying to play it already.
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Tell us about the PC industry, Phos
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The way it works is you look for situations that appear to have an oppressor and a victim. You then exaggerrate the perceived victimization to try to extort some recompense from the oppressor, or anyone mildly related to the oppressor. Typically some rich old white guy, ahem (Trump). In the process, you gain political capital. Parlay it to some elected office, at which point you have access to all the goods.

As for Personal Computers, that industry has died a long while ago.
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