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So what if people vote against their own interests, that's how the GOP stays in business.
Not just the GOP. DEMs do it too. For example illegal immigration is hurting the poor while helping the rich. If the DEMs were genuinely the party of the poor, they would be against it.

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Bernie Sanders is a lot farther to the left than Hillary. Any Presidential candidate, whether from the left or the right, has to be able to traverse to the centre by the time Presidential elections are held. The party vetting process takes this into consideration. I think Bernie would have problems traversing to the center, with a long history with far left groups he will not be able to disavow. Whereas Hillary is convincible a progressive of some kind, at the same time, a conservative of some kind. You would have to be pretty slimy to become President.
I'm not sure about this.

Traditionally, slimey candidates try to gain the center by being vague and hiding their real intentions. This is what Hillary is doing. But in reality, any policy you come up with that may help somebody will also harm somebody. Traditionalist polticial class candidates try to wash over that by saying harming is also a kind of helping or something like that. So "if you think Obamacare is making you poorer you're actually too stupid to see its actually making you richer" sort of thing. Some people buy that. Others don't. I think it's actually refreshing to see somebody stand up and openly say "I'm not your friend, don't count on me to do your thing" rather than to see somebody pretend and whore before the election only to reveal his true colors after. It's better to have an honest enemy than a dishonest friend. This means he will also be open to honest debates and exchanges of opinion which will be benfecial to both sides as they will put an end to all the whoring and dishonest placeholder exchanges that have been so charcteristic of both the Bush and Obama eras. A little more rationalism and honesty would benefit both sides and maybe even cause many pretend issues to go away so we can concentrat on the real ones. I think Bernie can achieve this.

Remember a president is not a dictator. there are still plenty of checks and balances in place. Sometimes people who ask for 100 are actually happy if at the end of the day they get 25.

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Not just the GOP. DEMs do it too. For example illegal immigration is hurting the poor while helping the rich. If the DEMs were genuinely the party of the poor, they would be against it.



I'm not sure about this.

Traditionally, slimey candidates try to gain the center by being vague and hiding their real intentions. This is what Hillary is doing. But in reality, any policy you come up with that may help somebody will also harm somebody. Traditionalist polticial class candidates try to wash over that by saying harming is also a kind of helping or something like that. So "if you think Obamacare is making you poorer you're actually too stupid to see its actually making you richer" sort of thing. Some people buy that. Others don't. I think it's actually refreshing to see somebody stand up and openly say "I'm not your friend, don't count on me to do your thing" rather than to see somebody pretend and whore before the election only to reveal his true colors after. It's better to have an honest enemy than a dishonest friend. This means he will also be open to honest debates and exchanges of opinion which will be benfecial to both sides as they will put an end to all the whoring and dishonest placeholder exchanges that have been so charcteristic of both the Bush and Obama eras. A little more rationalism and honesty would benefit both sides and maybe even cause many pretend issues to go away so we can concentrat on the real ones. I think Bernie can achieve this.

Remember a president is not a dictator. there are still plenty of checks and balances in place. Sometimes people who ask for 100 are actually happy if at the end of the day they get 25.


I understand that the US president is one with the greatest given constitutional powers in the Western world (France comes next). This concentration of powers into one person does make it worrying if it all falls into the hands of a loose canon with a super inflated ego and no understanding of foreign diplomacy.
And as the US are a bit like the "Butterfly effect", everything that happens there has consequences on the rest of us...look at the mess in Iraq and the 2008 sub-prime mortgages disaster!
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I understand that the US president is one with the greatest given constitutional powers in the Western world (France comes next). This concentration of powers into one person does make it worrying if it all falls into the hands of a loose canon with a super inflated ego and no understanding of foreign diplomacy.
And as the US are a bit like the "Butterfly effect", everything that happens there has consequences on the rest of us...look at the mess in Iraq and the 2008 sub-prime mortgages disaster!
The US has a system of checks and balances like most Western countries. The President can be inpeached (ie: removed from office) as well.

His/her powers are not that great, he/she needs to get approval from Congress for any major actions. For ex. Obama has been fighting with Congress about the Healthcare Act for years now, if the President had such strong powers he would have simply declared it a law and that would have been the end of it. Bush needed Congressional approval for Iraq as well (he "scaremongered" them into agreeing with his "mushroom cloud" speech). The sub-prime mess was mainly greedy banks and not much to do with the President.

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And even if he does. The system is set up to deal with it.
In theory, yes, but not necessarily in practice.
Just think Palin, had McCain been elected. YIKES
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And it's Bernie from behind! Bernie Sanders has now overtaken Clinton in the NH polls. Not that that means too much but it is an indicator. So Trump is getting the biggest crowds on the Repulican side pulling in as many as 2,700 people. Wow! Bernie on the other hand is selling out arenas pulling in over 27,000 people and each event gets bigger, sells out faster, and has more people in the over full area. I think he may have to go from arenas to stadiums. This doesn't mean he will win the primaries. Ron Paul was also winning in every conceivable number in 2012 but the GOP decided to not count votes for Ron Paul and completly dismissed all of his delegates. In other words they completly dismissed the whole democratic process and got away with it. Which brings me to my main point, why even fking bother? The system is rigged an we all know it. How many whistleblowers do we need before we wake up? Black box voting, Karl Rove and his hacker army in Ohio. Voter fraud in broad daylight and yet we carry on as if our system works. :rolleyes.
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Not just the GOP. DEMs do it too. For example illegal immigration is hurting the poor while helping the rich. If the DEMs were genuinely the party of the poor, they would be against it.



I'm not sure about this.

Traditionally, slimey candidates try to gain the center by being vague and hiding their real intentions. This is what Hillary is doing. But in reality, any policy you come up with that may help somebody will also harm somebody. Traditionalist polticial class candidates try to wash over that by saying harming is also a kind of helping or something like that. So "if you think Obamacare is making you poorer you're actually too stupid to see its actually making you richer" sort of thing. Some people buy that. Others don't. I think it's actually refreshing to see somebody stand up and openly say "I'm not your friend, don't count on me to do your thing" rather than to see somebody pretend and whore before the election only to reveal his true colors after. It's better to have an honest enemy than a dishonest friend. This means he will also be open to honest debates and exchanges of opinion which will be benfecial to both sides as they will put an end to all the whoring and dishonest placeholder exchanges that have been so charcteristic of both the Bush and Obama eras. A little more rationalism and honesty would benefit both sides and maybe even cause many pretend issues to go away so we can concentrat on the real ones. I think Bernie can achieve this.

Remember a president is not a dictator. there are still plenty of checks and balances in place. Sometimes people who ask for 100 are actually happy if at the end of the day they get 25.
This. I fully agree and why I dont have any problems with having a President Sanders even if I dont fully agree with him. Its like adding a dash of pepper to an overly bland potatoe soup. It wont change the fact that its still a bland soup but at least it will have a bit of spice. For me I support Bernie because he is the only one promising to fix the corruption in D.C. Its naive to think he can completely rid D.C of coruption but at least someone will be trying. When commitee seats are bought and sold like a commodity and politicians spend 90% of their time chasing donars and funding (instead of reading bills and making policy) then I think its time for something to change.
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This. I fully agree and why I dont have any problems with having a President Sanders even if I dont fully agree with him. Its like adding a dash of pepper to an overly bland potatoe soup. It wont change the fact that its still a bland soup but at least it will have a bit of spice. For me I support Bernie because he is the only one promising to fix the corruption in D.C. Its naive to think he can completely rid D.C of coruption but at least someone will be trying. When commitee seats are bought and sold like a commodity and politicians spend 90% of their time chasing donars and funding (instead of reading bills and making policy) then I think its time for something to change.
So what are some of Bernie Sander's promises? Sorry, I tried listening to one of his speeches, and I kept dozing off.
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So what are some of Bernie Sander's promises? Sorry, I tried listening to one of his speeches, and I kept dozing off.
To me it's not so much what he's promising but the fact that he's a no nonsense candidate who is not in the claws of sleazy interest groups. I don't necessarily agree with his solutions but the problems he speaks of are real and people who reject his solutions will need to offer alternative solutions.

I don't agree with his politics as I'm not at all from that side of the political spectrum. But often being able to talk about problems is the first step to being able to resolve them. There are no problems more difficult to fix than those people deny actually exist. I thus see his contribution to the campaign and political discussion as being extremely positive.

If this election campaign turns into a Trump versus Sanders, I'm sure we would see many problems being tabled and discussed that would otherwise remain under the rug.

Maybe those discussions wouldn't always be totally civil. But you can't make an omelette without first breaking some eggs.

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For me I support Bernie because he is the only one promising to fix the corruption in D.C.
I could have swore Obama promised to bring "change" to Washington. Has Washington changed, or did I miss it?

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To me it's not so much what he's promising but the fact that he's a no nonsense candidate who is not in the claws of sleazy interest groups.
...yet
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I could have swore Obama promised to bring "change" to Washington. Has Washington changed, or did I miss it?


...yet

Noting will change in DC unless there is a third or multi party in place
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Maybe those discussions wouldn't always be totally civil. But you can't make an omelette without first breaking some eggs.
Which is what an election campaign should be about, real issues. That is why I'm hoping Donald will stay in, and pop his mouth off as much as possible, to disrupt and change the process, but not as president.

I imagine Bernie would be careful about promises of change, because the question would arise as to why it has not happened with Obama.

To be honest, I don't think Washington D.C. is, nor should be the catalyst for change in the US. I think Washington DC is about a decade or two culturally behind from the rest of the country. I would be more worried if Washington DC led cultural changes. They are suppose to listen and follow, not try to dictate.
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ent.

I imagine Bernie would be careful about promises of change, because the question would arise as to why it has not happened with Obama.
A lot of his credibility will depend on whether he can actually criticise Obama and credibly promise to be different. This is something the dems at present seem incapable of doing and their loyalty may well be their biggest weakness. Clinton at any rate is too entangled (the good with the bad) in Obama's legacy to be seen as anything but part of it.

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A lot of his credibility will depend on whether he can actually criticise Obama and credibly promise to be different. This is something the dems at present seem incapable of doing and their loyalty may well be their biggest liability.
I think they are just hedging their bets. I think they are totally capable of throwing Obama under the bus, if only it would not disaffect Black votes. Furthermore, Obama has a few more things on his agenda they wouldn't want to torpedo. I'm sure we'll see some hints of it near the end.
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I think they are just hedging their bets. I think they are totally capable of throwing Obama under the bus, if only it would not disaffect Black votes. Furthermore, Obama has a few more things on his agenda they wouldn't want to torpedo. I'm sure we'll see some hints of it near the end.
I don't think they need to throw Obama under the bus, as in all of Obama and everything he's done and stood for.

They just need to explain why Obama didn't turn out to be what he promised to be and (more importantly) why this time it's going to be different.

So far, Dems are mostly claiming its the Reps fault for blocking everything. But that's a disingenous argument as it fails to explain why that won't happen again. What they need to be explaining is how Hillary is better at consensus building than Obama (I think trying to argue that one is a lost cause) but maybe with Bertie they have a singing chance as he is a relative outsider and he believes in his causes more strongly than he believes in his party.
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I am borderline scared at the polls - I want to believe that Trump is no real option, but after all, we did get Mr. B for 20 years...
As they say - never underestimate the stupidity of the general public...But there's no mystery here. He's appealing the lower end of the spectrum of human emotions, that's all.
Every mediocre politician knows this "secret".
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I don't think they need to throw Obama under the bus, as in all of Obama and everything he's done and stood for.

They just need to explain why Obama didn't turn out to be what he promised to be and (more importantly) why this time it's going to be different.

So far, Dems are mostly claiming its the Reps fault for blocking everything. But that's a disingenous argument as it fails to explain why that won't happen again. What they need to be explaining is how Hillary is better at consensus building than Obama (I think trying to argue that one is a lost cause) but maybe with Bertie they have a singing chance as he is a relative outsider and he believes in his causes more strongly than he believes in his party.

About this election, it does not look like it will be about ideas, or who has what to offer. One party is morally bankrupt, and the other is intellectually bankrupt. This election appears to be about who will not self-destruct first.
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Interesting thing about this Trump situation is that it breaks the North-South model which has driven other elections. It use to be a vote between dumb rural country folks vs. slimy city slickers. In the case of Trump. its like we have a slimy city slicker appealing to the dunb rural country folks vote.

I suspect they will cool off to Trump as soon as they hear his beautiful wife's slovenian accent.
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I believe the reason Donald Trump is high in the U.S. polls is because many Americans are unhappy with stagnant salaries/wages, low paying jobs, high unemployment, broken promises by our politicians in Washington, D.C. and the overall unenforced laws leading to crime.....a declining society (reason for the appealing slogan, "Make America Great Again"). The majority of Donald Trump's supporters love his angry words because he is high profile enough to get their grievances heard, at last. They need scapegoats for the problems and those scapegoats need to be easily recognized, not logical, detailed answers to how he will solve the problems. Latinos and Hispanics are easy to identify by their features and names. Chinese and Japanese are easy to identify by their features, although the unfortunate Korean, Malaysian, Indonesian, Filipino, Thai, etc. may get discriminated against because Americans don't know how to tell them apart. When economic conditions are poor, a country's people looks for foreigners to blame and that's where the U.S. is today.....need someone to blame in addition to our politicians. It's frightening because that's how Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and other societal revolutionaries rose to power during periods of mass discontent. The difference with Trump is that he's "really, really rich" while the other were poor. Trump's rise to power will follow a similar path as Hitler's. I only pray that the supporters are not really going to vote for him to become president. Unfortunately, his rise in the polls convince more people to jump on his wagon.
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I understand that the US president is one with the greatest given constitutional powers in the Western world (France comes next). This concentration of powers into one person does make it worrying if it all falls into the hands of a loose canon with a super inflated ego and no understanding of foreign diplomacy.
And as the US are a bit like the "Butterfly effect", everything that happens there has consequences on the rest of us...look at the mess in Iraq and the 2008 sub-prime mortgages disaster!
McTAVGE, you hit the nail on the head! It scares me to think that the majority of the Republicans who support Trump will vote for him to be our president. I looked at Donald Trump's campaign webpage and the only issue he has is "Immigration", which is the flash point for the idiots who support him. We hear the ultra conservative radio talk show hosts touting Trump and claiming the Democrats as "low information voters", but the Republicans supporting Trump have zero information on his solutions to all the problems he claims he feels the average American suffers. They will vote for him on gut feelings and no intellect. I suspect there are a number of Democrats crossing over to support Trump but claiming to be Republicans. Trump honest? Not in my book. He's a master salesman and he's selling American a boatload of crap. He wants to win for the sake of winning....not to solve American problems. He's in it for himself, which follows his philosophy to bribe people to get what he wants. There are a lot of hands held out in the Federal government, including Congress. He needs a clear path to build in China and Latin America. He doesn't like cheap Mexican labor making it more profitable for his hotel competitors while he imports only Eastern Europeans for his hotels and golf courses. There are HUGE payoffs by being president.
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