Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 22.08.2015, 19:11
lorena1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: N/A
Posts: 644
Groaned at 51 Times in 39 Posts
Thanked 563 Times in 313 Posts
lorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Quote:
View Post
About "has it been confirmed that the guy was a terrorist?"
The guy had a pistol, a Kalashnikov and a knife and opened fire in a railway carriage! Was the guy a terrorist? No he sounds more like a Red Cross volunteer
having an assault rifle and bring a moroccan doesnt automatically make him a terrorist. it s important to differetiate brtwrrn lone wolf whack jobs and someone who is part of an organized crime group. I wouldnt jump to conclusions till we have more info
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank lorena1 for this useful post:
The following 2 users groan at lorena1 for this post:
  #22  
Old 22.08.2015, 19:12
esto's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Bern, baby, Bern
Posts: 1,272
Groaned at 37 Times in 35 Posts
Thanked 2,341 Times in 1,014 Posts
esto has a reputation beyond reputeesto has a reputation beyond reputeesto has a reputation beyond reputeesto has a reputation beyond reputeesto has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Quote:
View Post
Speaking as an armchair warrior you only have one chance to defeat such terrorists and that is when they start the action. They are not experienced and have a few seconds start up time. People who react immediately and savagely have a good chance.
After the terrorists start and are in full action it is very difficult to challenge them especially if you are unarmed.
This guy may have been....

Quote:
Mr Cazeneuve said that the gunman's identity had not been confirmed, but that he was thought to be a 26-year-old Moroccan who had been flagged up to France by the Spanish authorities as affiliated to a radical Islamist movement.
The interior minister said he had been living in Spain in 2014, and in Belgium in 2015.
Spanish newspaper El Pais named the suspect as Ayoub El-Kahzzani, and said he had fought in Syria
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank esto for this useful post:
  #23  
Old 22.08.2015, 19:51
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Zürich
Posts: 7,521
Groaned at 164 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 8,544 Times in 4,681 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Quote:
View Post
having an assault rifle and bring a moroccan doesnt automatically make him a terrorist. it s important to differetiate brtwrrn lone wolf whack jobs and someone who is part of an organized crime group. I wouldnt jump to conclusions till we have more info

About "having an assault rifle and bring a moroccan doesn't automatically make him a terrorist. "


Yes it does!
It is not relevant if he was a lone wolf whack job or someone who is part of an organized group and it is not relevant he was Moroccan.
Relevant is he was heavily armed and attacked people.
Definition "a person who terrorizes or frightens others."
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank marton for this useful post:
  #24  
Old 22.08.2015, 20:09
lorena1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: N/A
Posts: 644
Groaned at 51 Times in 39 Posts
Thanked 563 Times in 313 Posts
lorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Of course in that sense you're correct: terrorists and mass shooters, or serial killers commit violent acts and thus are risks to society. And yet although differentiating between them may not be relevant for you, it sure is for law enforcement.


Quote:
View Post
About "having an assault rifle and bring a moroccan doesn't automatically make him a terrorist. "


Yes it does!
It is not relevant if he was a lone wolf whack job or someone who is part of an organized group and it is not relevant he was Moroccan.
Relevant is he was heavily armed and attacked people.
Definition "a person who terrorizes or frightens others."
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank lorena1 for this useful post:
  #25  
Old 22.08.2015, 21:25
Pashosh's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Baden
Posts: 409
Groaned at 164 Times in 119 Posts
Thanked 1,291 Times in 702 Posts
Pashosh is considered knowledgeablePashosh is considered knowledgeablePashosh is considered knowledgeable
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Seen many mass murders killing random people lately?
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 22.08.2015, 21:34
lorena1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: N/A
Posts: 644
Groaned at 51 Times in 39 Posts
Thanked 563 Times in 313 Posts
lorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Why?
How about the Lafayette shooting last month?
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 22.08.2015, 21:43
VFR on top's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Basel
Posts: 718
Groaned at 19 Times in 11 Posts
Thanked 1,529 Times in 549 Posts
VFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Quote:
View Post
Of course in that sense you're correct: terrorists and mass shooters, or serial killers commit violent acts and thus are risks to society. And yet although differentiating between them may not be relevant for you, it sure is for law enforcement.
I suspect what you are trying to say is he should not be labeled as an Islamic terrorist until the facts are in, but your bullshit PC brainwashing won't allow you to form that idea anymore.
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank VFR on top for this useful post:
  #28  
Old 22.08.2015, 21:49
Pachyderm's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 794
Groaned at 49 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 1,769 Times in 604 Posts
Pachyderm has a reputation beyond reputePachyderm has a reputation beyond reputePachyderm has a reputation beyond reputePachyderm has a reputation beyond reputePachyderm has a reputation beyond reputePachyderm has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Quote:
View Post
having an assault rifle and bring a moroccan doesnt automatically make him a terrorist. it s important to differetiate brtwrrn lone wolf whack jobs and someone who is part of an organized crime group. I wouldnt jump to conclusions till we have more info
That's fair comment, and in fact his initial claim was he had found the weapons in a field and was planning to merely rob people on the train. Sounded pretty far-fetched when i read it, and we now hear that he had been in Syria and was known to the authorities as a militant Islam sympathiser, so (if true) I guess we can conclude this was no robbery.

As for it being important to differentiate between lone-wolf and organised groups, well it is important for intelligence analysts but not sure it would matter much to me if I was on the train when the guy started shooting.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Pachyderm for this useful post:
  #29  
Old 22.08.2015, 21:49
lorena1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: N/A
Posts: 644
Groaned at 51 Times in 39 Posts
Thanked 563 Times in 313 Posts
lorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

what is bullshit pc brainwashing?
why do you feel like i'm trying to brainwash anyone? You can either jump to conclusions or wait till you hear from the specialists whether he was a Jihadist. I just stated that I prefer to form my opinions after I have more information. No brainwashing there, but then you might be prejudiced against anyone who's not sharing your views Wish you well.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank lorena1 for this useful post:
  #30  
Old 22.08.2015, 21:56
lorena1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: N/A
Posts: 644
Groaned at 51 Times in 39 Posts
Thanked 563 Times in 313 Posts
lorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Yes, for civilians it's irrelevant who their assailant is, but for those tasked with (internal) safety, it's a different story.

Quote:
View Post
That's fair comment, and in fact his initial claim was he had found the weapons in a field and was planning to merely rob people on the train. Sounded pretty far-fetched when i read it, and we now hear that he had been in Syria and was known to the authorities as a militant Islam sympathiser, so (if true) I guess we can conclude this was no robbery.

As for it being important to differentiate between lone-wolf and organised groups, well it is important for intelligence analysts but not sure it would matter much to me if I was on the train when the guy started shooting.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank lorena1 for this useful post:
  #31  
Old 23.08.2015, 00:23
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Zürich
Posts: 7,521
Groaned at 164 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 8,544 Times in 4,681 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Quote:
View Post
Why?
How about the Lafayette shooting last month?


"Rusty" Houser had a history of anti-government and far-right views; sounds like a terrorist to me
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 23.08.2015, 00:54
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 3,039
Groaned at 99 Times in 79 Posts
Thanked 3,774 Times in 1,950 Posts
Urs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Quote:
View Post
I suspect what you are trying to say is he should not be labeled as an Islamic terrorist until the facts are in, but your bullshit PC brainwashing won't allow you to form that idea anymore.
Terrorism requires an organized group of people. It is politically (or similar) motivated, planned use of force. It is intended to work against the status quo, to bring or foster change. None of this applies to a robbery. Every lone wolf incident lacks at least one (usually most if not all) of the above.

Brainwash. Right.
Some people try to make sure the don't call an orange "apple". Apparently such "details" are irrelevant to someone with your intelligence.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Urs Max for this useful post:
  #33  
Old 23.08.2015, 09:15
VFR on top's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Basel
Posts: 718
Groaned at 19 Times in 11 Posts
Thanked 1,529 Times in 549 Posts
VFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Quote:
View Post
Brainwash. Right.
Some people try to make sure the don't call an orange "apple". Apparently such "details" are irrelevant to someone with your intelligence.
and some people won't even use the term "apple" anymore regardless of the context. This was my only point.

BTW, I don't know if this guy was a jihadist either, nor am I advocating he is one at this point (until the facts are in). Make sure you get the details right.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank VFR on top for this useful post:
  #34  
Old 23.08.2015, 09:42
lorena1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: N/A
Posts: 644
Groaned at 51 Times in 39 Posts
Thanked 563 Times in 313 Posts
lorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

So you aren't voicing any opinion, instead calling others ignorant and indoctrinating?


Quote:
View Post
and some people won't even use the term "apple" anymore regardless of the context. This was my only point.

BTW, I don't know if this guy was a jihadist either, nor am I advocating he is one at this point (until the facts are in). Make sure you get the details right.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank lorena1 for this useful post:
  #35  
Old 23.08.2015, 09:46
lorena1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: N/A
Posts: 644
Groaned at 51 Times in 39 Posts
Thanked 563 Times in 313 Posts
lorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond reputelorena1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Not terrorism in the classical sense. But I see how you might think that. Different legal systems have different definitions of (international and national) Terrorism. In addition, he has been called right-wing terrorist widely in the media.

Quote:
View Post
"Rusty" Houser had a history of anti-government and far-right views; sounds like a terrorist to me
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 23.08.2015, 09:52
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Geneva
Posts: 362
Groaned at 130 Times in 61 Posts
Thanked 273 Times in 144 Posts
bigfujitsu is considered knowledgeablebigfujitsu is considered knowledgeablebigfujitsu is considered knowledgeable
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

their actions are a perfect example of how to react to terrorists, who in most cases are outnumbered by the people they attack! I hope more people act like predators and attack the terrorists! why wait like a prey to die? take action, be a hero, worst case scenario even if you die at least you die like a hero!

I am so proud of these young men, because after September 11 I decided that if my plane was ever hijacked by terrorists I would stand up and fight in the fist minute, and I always hoped that some of the other 200+ passengers would back me up!

Glad to know that most likely some will back me up!

Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank bigfujitsu for this useful post:
  #37  
Old 23.08.2015, 09:54
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 5,110
Groaned at 189 Times in 148 Posts
Thanked 6,068 Times in 3,281 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Quote:
View Post
and some people won't even use the term "apple" anymore regardless of the context. This was my only point.

BTW, I don't know if this guy was a jihadist either, nor am I advocating he is one at this point (until the facts are in). Make sure you get the details right.
Not on EF. Here those who complain about the crazy PC rules are doing it while they make the most bigoted and non-PC comments every time they have a chance. Probably not about "apples", but they have other valves to vent things out (they are allowed and even encouraged). All is not lost.

Quote:
View Post
Not terrorism in the classical sense. But I see how you might think that. Different legal systems have different definitions of (international and national) Terrorism. In addition, he has been called right-wing terrorist widely in the media.
A fine example of what VFRontop has said. Let's not pretend we don't get it.

Last edited by greenmount; 23.08.2015 at 10:08.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #38  
Old 23.08.2015, 10:44
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 19,028
Groaned at 333 Times in 258 Posts
Thanked 11,712 Times in 6,857 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Quote:
View Post
Seen many mass murders killing random people lately?


THIS exactly is the question. Was and is he just a maniac with the will to kill at random ? or is there a political idea ?
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 23.08.2015, 10:58
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 19,028
Groaned at 333 Times in 258 Posts
Thanked 11,712 Times in 6,857 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Quote:
View Post
their actions are a perfect example of how to react to terrorists, who in most cases are outnumbered by the people they attack! I hope more people act like predators and attack the terrorists! why wait like a prey to die? take action, be a hero, worst case scenario even if you die at least you die like a hero!

I am so proud of these young men, because after September 11 I decided that if my plane was ever hijacked by terrorists I would stand up and fight in the fist minute, and I always hoped that some of the other 200+ passengers would back me up!

Glad to know that most likely some will back me up!


stand up and fight ? fight with what exactly ? the wine glass ?
y
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 23.08.2015, 11:43
parnell's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Geroldswil
Posts: 385
Groaned at 88 Times in 53 Posts
Thanked 947 Times in 445 Posts
parnell has a reputation beyond reputeparnell has a reputation beyond reputeparnell has a reputation beyond reputeparnell has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Much better if people fight to stop these people coming here in the first place.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank parnell for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Is it Safe for a 15y/o to take the train from ZH to Paris ? nicnic Daily life 14 27.11.2014 22:21
FOUND a camera on train from Paris to Zurich gv0410 Other/general 8 05.11.2012 10:20
Afghanistan: US marines urinate on dead bodies MrVertigo International affairs/politics 137 18.01.2012 14:12
Muzzel Rule Enforced on Train to Paris? clarendon Pet corner 15 13.07.2011 14:01
Plugs on Lausanne-Paris Train? maleficum Travel/day trips/free time 4 23.03.2010 10:12


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 02:14.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0