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Terrorism requires an organized group of people. It is politically (or similar) motivated, planned use of force. It is intended to work against the status quo, to bring or foster change. None of this applies to a robbery. Every lone wolf incident lacks at least one (usually most if not all) of the above.

Brainwash. Right.
Some people try to make sure the don't call an orange "apple". Apparently such "details" are irrelevant to someone with your intelligence.
I suggest you read more about lone wolf terrorists, you do not have to be part of a group to commit terrorist acts or to be a terrorist.

For example look here or here.
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Old 23.08.2015, 12:48
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Much better if people fight to stop these people coming here in the first place.
Lol

Fancy turning the sky green and making pigs fly while you're at it?
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Old 23.08.2015, 12:54
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Lol

Fancy turning the sky green and making pigs fly while you're at it?
As ever you're full of answers... realistic solutions involve removing the incentives - say paying Bulgaria to have the asylum processing centre housed there , towing the boats back to their origin point and once sufficiently shallow waters sinking them. Bit like the Somalian pirates episode - once you get coordination it's not really that hard.

However you continue on with your "sky is falling and it's all our fault" Henny Lenny rant.
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Old 23.08.2015, 13:02
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As ever you're full of answers... realistic solutions involve removing the incentives - say paying Bulgaria to have the asylum processing centre housed there , towing the boats back to their origin point and once sufficiently shallow waters sinking them. Bit like the Somalian pirates episode - once you get coordination it's not really that hard.

However you continue on with your "sky is falling and it's all our fault" Henny Lenny rant.
Right, because all the terrorists are coming from Bulgaria and there aren't any already here.

You can't really be as thick as this, surely?
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Old 23.08.2015, 13:40
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I am so proud of these young men, because after September 11 I decided that if my plane was ever hijacked by terrorists I would stand up and fight in the first minute, and I always hoped that some of the other 200+ passengers would back me up!
You'd like to think you would.

But, unless you've been in the armed services, or in a similar situation, you've actually no idea how you would react.
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Old 23.08.2015, 13:52
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You'd like to think you would.

But, unless you've been in the armed services, or in a similar situation, you've actually no idea how you would react.
To be fair, there are an awful lot of similar situations. A bar fight where someone pulls a knife, for example, or a street mugging, etc. A lot of people have been in such situations, and not everyone who says they would stand up is a simple keyboard warrior.
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

What I want to know is if the passengers had decided to throw the terrorist out of the train, would they have been charged with littering?
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Old 23.08.2015, 15:20
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Right, because all the terrorists are coming from Bulgaria and there aren't any already here.

You can't really be as thick as this, surely?
Kindly read what I wrote again , twice if neccessary.
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stand up and fight ? fight with what exactly ? the wine glass ?
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with everything that god or nature has given you. I dont care if you grab and use the baby of that sociopath dolce $ cabbana rich bitch sitting in first class; but do something dont just sit there and wait to dies when you and your fellow passengers have the advantage.

If they want to blow up they would have done it or would do it, and any kind of weapon can only harm the first couple of people if he is lucky!

The events from last week shows that quick action can stop any crazy individual no matter how many weapons he has!!!!
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Old 23.08.2015, 17:04
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and some people won't even use the term "apple" anymore regardless of the context. This was my only point.

BTW, I don't know if this guy was a jihadist either, nor am I advocating he is one at this point (until the facts are in). Make sure you get the details right.
I didn't use any religious term in that post, try reading.

With that said your use of italics clearly implies that you consider him a terrorist.
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Old 23.08.2015, 17:32
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As ever you're full of answers... realistic solutions involve removing the incentives - say paying Bulgaria to have the asylum processing centre housed there , towing the boats back to their origin point and once sufficiently shallow waters sinking them. Bit like the Somalian pirates episode - once you get coordination it's not really that hard.

However you continue on with your "sky is falling and it's all our fault" Henny Lenny rant.

Law enforcement knew of him, yet did not track nor apprehend him. Or perhaps these "passengers" were his tracker. I doubt it, but it would be even cooler if they were. I think it is ridiculous to have to wait until after they murder. Perhaps current legal standards prevent it at the moment. Perhaps those standards have to be redefined to better track and apprehend before they act.

I wouldn't mind if law enforcement tracked some individuals more closely, because personally, I don't really have anything to hide from law enforcement myself.
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Old 23.08.2015, 17:36
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These guys were amazing, and what is so impressive is that they remained completely calm and professional, even when injured themselves and giving first-aid to others.

Oh, these guys can sit, pontificate and consult on how to deal with such a terrorist situation; providing strategy and vision without lifting a finger to do it themselves. Maybe it was his thought leadership that apprehended this terrorist.
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Old 23.08.2015, 17:45
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To be fair, there are an awful lot of similar situations. A bar fight where someone pulls a knife, for example, or a street mugging, etc. A lot of people have been in such situations, and not everyone who says they would stand up is a simple keyboard warrior.

About "To be fair, there are an awful l lot of similar situations."
Not really similar are they? You could act or walk away?
If you are in a train carriage and a terrorist walks in with an automatic weapon then walking away is not an option; likely you will be killed or wounded. Then what do you have to lose by taking action?
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Law enforcement knew of him, yet did not track nor apprehend him. Or perhaps these "passengers" were his tracker. I doubt it, but it would be even cooler if they were. I think it is ridiculous to have to wait until after they murder. Perhaps current legal standards prevent it at the moment. Perhaps those standards have to be redefined to better track and apprehend before they act.

I wouldn't mind if law enforcement tracked some individuals more closely, because personally, I don't really have anything to hide from law enforcement myself.
There aren't enough coppers to catch burglars these days, let alone track every potential terrorist in Europe.

Were you planning on volunteering? I'm sure Interpol need a few "creatives" on their team.
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Old 23.08.2015, 19:25
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About "To be fair, there are an awful l lot of similar situations."
Not really similar are they? You could act or walk away?
If you are in a train carriage and a terrorist walks in with an automatic weapon then walking away is not an option; likely you will be killed or wounded. Then what do you have to lose by taking action?
Been in many bar fights or mugging where you had the option of walking away? I've been in a few of the former (none of the latter, thankfully) including some that were awfully nasty scrapes. You get a sense of "I either take action first or I might not be walking out of here". So yeah, even similar in that sense.

Admittedly, I've also been in a fight or two that had a much less lethal feeling to them - where I come, some guys fight for fun (never did understand that - I've lost too many for it to be fun!).

The point being, some people have the wits to do something, others don't, but automatically assuming one way or the other across the Internet is kind of pointless.
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their actions are a perfect example of how to react to terrorists, who in most cases are outnumbered by the people they attack! I hope more people act like predators and attack the terrorists! why wait like a prey to die? take action, be a hero, worst case scenario even if you die at least you die like a hero!

I am so proud of these young men, because after September 11 I decided that if my plane was ever hijacked by terrorists I would stand up and fight in the fist minute, and I always hoped that some of the other 200+ passengers would back me up!

Glad to know that most likely some will back me up!

These guys truly did an amazing heroic act and WOW...did they do it well !
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Been in many bar fights or mugging where you had the option of walking away? I've been in a few of the former (none of the latter, thankfully) including some that were awfully nasty scrapes. You get a sense of "I either take action first or I might not be walking out of here". So yeah, even similar in that sense.

Admittedly, I've also been in a fight or two that had a much less lethal feeling to them - where I come, some guys fight for fun (never did understand that - I've lost too many for it to be fun!).

The point being, some people have the wits to do something, others don't, but automatically assuming one way or the other across the Internet is kind of pointless.


About "Been in many bar fights or mugging where you had the option of walking away?" I find running away works for me.......
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Old 23.08.2015, 23:12
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What I want to know is if the passengers had decided to throw the terrorist out of the train, would they have been charged with littering?

Not in France
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...it sure is for law enforcement.
this kind of thinking, however, is outdated - the largest terrorist threat facing Europe presently is not cells acting in an organized manner, but rather "lone wolf" actors who have been trained and fought in Iraq, Syria, etc.

Moroccan, Muslim, trained and fought in Syria, armed with an automatic weapon, handgun and box cutter on public transportation in Europe. this dude pretty much checks every single box for qualification as exactly the kind of terrorist the authorities are most worried about right now. I am honestly a little baffled about which point you are arguing for.
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

This is in French, but should anyone like a very lucid piecing together of the events (unlike the partial truth on Daily Mail):
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-div...s_1053201.html
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