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Old 24.08.2015, 02:49
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Goddam American beating up a hungry Moroccan




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Old 24.08.2015, 08:57
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Goddam American beating up a hungry Moroccan

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle26066484/

Oh, because the Croque Monsiuer in the TGV dining car is to die for. :roll eyes:
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Old 24.08.2015, 09:26
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I didn't use any religious term in that post, try reading.

With that said your use of italics clearly implies that you consider him a terrorist.
Oh, OK. See, I thought you were using orange to represent "Islamic people" and apple to represent "terrorists" with your point being that we shouldn't automatically equate one as the other. WHICH I AGREE WITH!

I then took your analogy and ran with it to correct your assumption that I thought otherwise.

But now I am confused. Perhaps an analogy using farm animals and code words would be clearer this time. Whatever you do, please refrain from using any "religious term" and words that start with "terror" and end with "ist" in the same sentence or paragraph, regardless of context.

BTW, I have a feeling others are following my point just fine, so forgive me if I use italics, bold and quotations this time.
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Old 24.08.2015, 09:31
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

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“(I saw) somebody who was very sick, somebody very weakened physically, as if he suffered from malnutrition, very, very thin and very haggard,” David told BFMTV.


“He is dumbfounded by the terrorist motives attributed to his action,” she added.


“A few days later he decided to get on a train that some other homeless people told him would be full of wealthy people traveling from Amsterdam to Paris and he hoped to feed himself by armed robbery,” David said.
It's a good thing he wasn't a angry Islamic jihadist trying to kill as many infidels as possible, because then people wouldn't like him and he might get a longer jail sentence.

Actually, in the last year, this guy has managed to travel from Spain, Germany, Turkey, Belgium and France. For a hungry homeless man, he sure gets around. Too bad airlines don't give free food anymore, maybe he wouldn't be so hungry then
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Old 24.08.2015, 09:44
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

And it was only coincidentally Friday, the day Islamic Terrorists choose to do their deeds.
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Old 24.08.2015, 12:09
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And it was only coincidentally Friday, the day Islamic Terrorists choose to do their deeds.
If I kill random people, I usually do it on Monday mornings, before coffee

PS- 9/11 was Tuesday, 7/7 bus bombing in Britan was Thursday
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Old 24.08.2015, 12:13
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It's a good thing he wasn't a angry Islamic jihadist trying to kill as many infidels as possible, because then people wouldn't like him and he might get a longer jail sentence.

Actually, in the last year, this guy has managed to travel from Spain, Germany, Turkey, Belgium and France. For a hungry homeless man, he sure gets around. Too bad airlines don't give free food anymore, maybe he wouldn't be so hungry then
About " somebody very weakened physically" But he still managed to inflict severe knife injuries on one of the big, fit Americans.


Also interesting that weapons cost less than a sandwich?
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Old 24.08.2015, 12:31
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Also interesting that weapons cost less than a sandwich?
He said he "found" the Kalashnikov, 300 rounds of ammunition, a machine-pistol, knife and box-cutter at the train station. ()
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He said he "found" the Kalashnikov, 300 rounds of ammunition, a machine-pistol, knife and box-cutter at the train station. ()
It is most fortunate that the homeless, hungry, hapless Arab found those weapons before a child did. A child could have hurt someone!

UK Telegraph:
"Belgium thinks that El-Khazzani was not a lone wolf, and are investigating whether the attack was commissioned, Le Soir reports. In particular, they believe he needed help acquiring weapons, reports Matthew Holehouse in Belgium."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...zani-live.html
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

One thing is sure: no stone will be left unturned in the digital and real life of this man.
Everything and everybody in his circle will get combed through with a very fine comb.
I pity the people who are three levels down his friend-list on Facebook.
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Old 24.08.2015, 15:11
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

I’m all for calling it what is it, under the condition that there is actual proof. That’s because (in)correct language can obscure and create confusion.

Most people project their views into a convenient terrorism narrative but that kind of thinking spreads misinformation and misdirection.

Using the correct language matters on many levels, as I and some other members have tried to explain.

Early Saturday we didn’t know if the shooter had decided to shoot people on a whim (making it a senseless crime) or whether he had intent to carry out an attack motivated by his extremist interpretation of the Islamic religion. With zero information on the shooter’s background, he was a suspected terrorist at most.

Again, I’m not downplaying what he is. Now that there is more information out it’s clearly the dude was not exactly a Red Cross volunteer, as marton suggested in a mocking way.

It’s fine to speculate – after all this is just a forum and not a journal of evidence-based work, but I’d state that it’s a speculation. Either way, it should be possible to talk in a civilized manner, without ridiculing, calling people names and diminishing other people’s views.
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Old 24.08.2015, 15:14
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Old 24.08.2015, 15:14
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

@Lorena1: With the regularity at which these things are occurring, what is the point of playing stupid about it?
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Old 24.08.2015, 15:21
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I’m all for calling it what is it, under the condition that there is actual proof. That’s because (in)correct language can obscure and create confusion.

Most people project their views into a convenient terrorism narrative but that kind of thinking spreads misinformation and misdirection.

Using the correct language matters on many levels, as I and some other members have tried to explain.

Early Saturday we didn’t know if the shooter had decided to shoot people on a whim (making it a senseless crime) or whether he had intent to carry out an attack motivated by his extremist interpretation of the Islamic religion. With zero information on the shooter’s background, he was a suspected terrorist at most.

Again, I’m not downplaying what he is. Now that there is more information out it’s clearly the dude was not exactly a Red Cross volunteer, as marton suggested in a mocking way.

It’s fine to speculate – after all this is just a forum and not a journal of evidence-based work, but I’d state that it’s a speculation. Either way, it should be possible to talk in a civilized manner, without ridiculing, calling people names and diminishing other people’s views.
This is an internet forum, not a State broadcaster. Who cares? Isn't this what the internet is made for? In the last 10 years, the majority of killings by brown men in Western Europe with assult rifles have been carried out by Islamic terrorists. This was a brown guy, with an assult rifle, on a train. Go figure.
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Old 24.08.2015, 15:28
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@Lorena1: With the regularity at which these things are occurring, what is the point of playing stupid about it?

Regularity?


Lol, you wouldn't have lasted five minutes in Britain or Northern Ireland in the seventies. You'd have shat yourself to death.
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Old 24.08.2015, 15:33
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@Lorena1: With the regularity at which these things are occurring, what is the point of playing stupid about it?
Playing stupid and accuracy in reporting are two opposite things..

It is important, for many reasons. For one thing it can be dangerous to jump to conclusions.

No one can stop you from leaping to assume Islamic terrorism (and in this case you guessed right) but you can't tell me you aren't aware of spreading ignorance

There was no way for you to know whether the man was a mentally ill, a right wing fanatic or something else.

All these things are important factors in his conviction and the on-going investigations.

American prisons, amongst others repeatedly hold wrong men, torturing and killing them under the incorrect assumption that they are terrorists.

This might not move or impact you in any way, I realize.
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

How many times have you, or anyone you know, found a bag full of guns while strolling through the local park? Let alone then deciding to rob a train with them.
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Old 24.08.2015, 15:55
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Playing stupid and accuracy in reporting are two opposite things..

It is important, for many reasons. For one thing it can be dangerous to jump to conclusions.

No one can stop you from leaping to assume Islamic terrorism (and in this case you guessed right) but you can't tell me you aren't aware of spreading ignorance

There was no way for you to know whether the man was a mentally ill, a right wing fanatic or something else.

All these things are important factors in his conviction and the on-going investigations.

American prisons, amongst others repeatedly hold wrong men, torturing and killing them under the incorrect assumption that they are terrorists.

This might not move or impact you in any way, I realize.
You know maybe you're right - the 3 Americans and 1 Brit should have stopped and thought to ask "excuse me for asking, but are you just hungry or about to perform a mass murder" before tackling him.

Indeed, this should have certainly been the correct response from the Brit - he should be ashamed
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Old 24.08.2015, 16:02
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Playing stupid and accuracy in reporting are two opposite things..

It is important, for many reasons. For one thing it can be dangerous to jump to conclusions.
How dangerous? What could the perpetrator do for the wrong assumption? Sue for libel? :roll eyes:
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Old 24.08.2015, 16:06
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

How many times have you, or anyone you know, found a bag full of guns while strolling through the local park? Let alone then deciding to rob a train with them.

@bigblue:

We did not have that statement at the time the thread was opened. Even if we did this kind of knee jerk assumptions aren't helpful in any way, are they?


You know maybe you're right - the 3 Americans and 1 Brit should have stopped and thought to ask "excuse me for asking, but are you just hungry or about to perform a mass murder" before tackling him.

Indeed, this should have certainly been the correct response from the Brit - he should be ashamed

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Nope, I was refering to the discussion we've had after the occurence. Having a fair trial and getting the facts of a case right are one thing, eliminating a potential danger a totally different one...

Not sure why it seems difficult for some to distinguish between definitions and responses concerning terrorism and other crimes..
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