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About "has it been confirmed that the guy was a terrorist?"
The guy had a pistol, a Kalashnikov and a knife and opened fire in a railway carriage! Was the guy a terrorist? No he sounds more like a Red Cross volunteer
And here I was thinking that the ticket controls in Switzerland are scary...
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Old 24.08.2015, 16:35
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

It might be a generalisation - but anyone who fires off a pistol on a train in Europe is not doing so in order to jump the queue in the buffet car.

Not even in a Brit who may have gone over 30minutes without a cup of tea.
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Old 24.08.2015, 16:41
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It might be a generalisation - but anyone who fires off a pistol on a train in Europe is not doing so in order to jump the queue in the buffet car.

Not even in a Brit who may have gone over 30minutes without a cup of tea.
That is soooooooooo... making assumptions
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Old 24.08.2015, 16:48
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

I bet the passangers were glad at these Americans "knee jerk" reaction.

If only lorena1 had been on the train to engage this troubled soul with a diversity survey to find out what his motives truly were...
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Old 24.08.2015, 16:51
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Can't we just agree that this chap was a total dick who deserved a good kicking and got one?


I've always thought that "terrorists" ought to be treated like the common criminal thugs they are and not glorified at all. Shove them in with the rest of the prisoners and leave the door open. That should bring their numbers down a bit.
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Old 24.08.2015, 17:04
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He said he "found" the Kalashnikov, 300 rounds of ammunition, a machine-pistol, knife and box-cutter at the train station. ()
Given there are so many extremely naive and stupid people out there, I wouldn't be surprise if he got off with a lighter sentence with this defense. His lawyer is apparently peddling this story, and some on this thread would actually believe it.
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Old 24.08.2015, 17:19
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Ooooooh-Raaaa for our U.S. Marines!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dam-Paris.html
But anyway... going back to the purpose of this thread (apologies for the digression) - all the guys (including the pencil pushers) acted amazingly.

Credit given where credit due...
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Old 24.08.2015, 17:30
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Given there are so many extremely naive and stupid people out there, I wouldn't be surprise if he got off with a lighter sentence with this defense. His lawyer is apparently peddling this story, and some on this thread would actually believe it.
I think it's a shift in tactics. In the past, if an Islamic terrorist was caught, he'd be doing the whole "death to infidels" routine. Now they are obfuscating and trying to cover their tracks better. And if he says "hunger" was his motive instead of political/religious, it's also harder to convict him of a "hate crime". Plus there are some left-wing nut-jobs who will actually buy the "hunger" sympathy-story and start taking up collections to buy him food or whatever...
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Two things are obvious to me from this thread so far:

1) There will always be those who glibly accept western governments' knee-jerk labeling an ever-broadening spectrum of acts as "terrorist" events — not quite noticing the cost in privacy and liberty those governments aim to extract from their subjects as they do so. (It wasn't that long ago that there was a clear distinction between acts of crime — even mass murder — and acts of terrorism, as terrorism was always organized in some fashion and aimed at distinct political/idealogical objectives, whereas crime — even mass murder — was not. That's no longer the case, according to the labeling practices of contemporary western politicians.)

2) Those who are so quick to swallow the "official" story of the western oligarchs (which itself was delivered without waiting for any investigations to conclude) don't seem to notice that this would be the first time a "terrorist" ever claimed to have "only" "criminal" intent. Real terrorists are proud of their causes. They don't make excuses or offer pleas. If this guy was actually on a terrorist mission, he's now a laughingstock among his peers, who'll surely shun (if not kill) him for his embarrassing performance.
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Maybe he's just a crap terrorist?
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Maybe he's just a crap terrorist?
Maybe you can push for it to be added to the list so others can avoid such embarassment
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He said he "found" the Kalashnikov, 300 rounds of ammunition, a machine-pistol, knife and box-cutter at the train station. ()

I am sure in Zuerich HB one can pick up a assault rifle at some times Wolly will have the statistic


Just go to lost and found

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Two things are obvious to me from this thread so far...
Goodness, now I really need to pack my AK-47 in my handbag and run to the tea carriage on this damned train...
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Goodness, now I really need to pack my AK-47 in my handbag and run to the tea carriage on this damned train...
I'm wondering whether this could have all be avoided if the train had SBB-like trolley service.
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Two things are obvious to me from this thread so far:

1) There will always be those who glibly accept western governments' knee-jerk labeling an ever-broadening spectrum of acts as "terrorist" events — not quite noticing the cost in privacy and liberty those governments aim to extract from their subjects as they do so. (It wasn't that long ago that there was a clear distinction between acts of crime — even mass murder — and acts of terrorism, as terrorism was always organized in some fashion and aimed at distinct political/idealogical objectives, whereas crime — even mass murder — was not. That's no longer the case, according to the labeling practices of contemporary western politicians.)

2) Those who are so quick to swallow the "official" story of the western oligarchs (which itself was delivered without waiting for any investigations to conclude) don't seem to notice that this would be the first time a "terrorist" ever claimed to have "only" "criminal" intent. Real terrorists are proud of their causes. They don't make excuses or offer pleas. If this guy was actually on a terrorist mission, he's now a laughingstock among his peers, who'll surely shun (if not kill) him for his embarrassing performance.
I suspect the "criminal" intent story is to avoid sentencing under applicable anti-terrorism laws, which often contain much stiffer penalties than "ordinary" crimes.
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I'm wondering whether this could have all be avoided if the train had SBB-like trolley service.
International Train Trolley Service .
Have you ever tried it ??? . Me, I'll take my chances.
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Old 24.08.2015, 18:03
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

New signs will have to be posted in SBB/CFF/FFC " Military personnel in back of train / American in front of train "

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I suspect the "criminal" intent story is to avoid sentencing under applicable anti-terrorism laws, which often contain much stiffer penalties than "ordinary" crimes.
If it is, it'll be the first time, like I said. A precedent. (Or can you find another case of a real member of a terrorist group in recent history who wimped out with an it-was-just-a-crime story?) They'd rather die than get caught excusing themselves for their acts, whether successfully executed or not.
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Old 24.08.2015, 18:11
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If it is, it'll be the first time, like I said. A precedent. (Or can you find another case of a real member of a terrorist group in recent history who wimped out with an it-was-just-a-crime story?) They'd rather die than get caught excusing themselves for their acts, whether successfully executed or not.
... unless they're just crap terrorists, which - let's face it - most "islamists" are.
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Playing stupid and accuracy in reporting are two opposite things..

It is important, for many reasons. For one thing it can be dangerous to jump to conclusions.

No one can stop you from leaping to assume Islamic terrorism (and in this case you guessed right) but you can't tell me you aren't aware of spreading ignorance

There was no way for you to know whether the man was a mentally ill, a right wing fanatic or something else.

All these things are important factors in his conviction and the on-going investigations.

American prisons, amongst others repeatedly hold wrong men, torturing and killing them under the incorrect assumption that they are terrorists.

This might not move or impact you in any way, I realize.
About "No one can stop you from leaping to assume Islamic terrorism" So far you are the one who uses the term "Islamic terrorism"; the guy is clearly a terrorist - what remains to be proven is whether he was an "Islamic terrorist" or some other flavour of terrorist. You may be surprised to learn that the Moslems do not have a monopoly on terrorism; there are others out there

About "whether the man was a mentally ill, a right wing fanatic or something else." whatever of these categories he fits into he is still a terrorist; he opened fire with an automatic weapon on unarmed civilians.
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