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Old 24.08.2015, 22:28
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

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The guy really looks like a bit like an idiot and an Haryey Oswald-style scape-goat.
But that may just be a clever defense-strategy.
He doesn't deny entering the train with an AK47 and how many rounds of ammo? 300? If you have half a brain and haven't been living under a rock for the last 15 years, that the mere possession of the weapon alone can get you a terrorist-conviction.
And it goes on: Where did he get it?
He found it!
That is just ridiculous.

If the gun hadn't misfired and he hadn't been an obvious novice at handling it (which is probably the point that pulls this thing into conspiracy-theory land), we'd be talking about an absolutely horrible massacre. He could have roamed the cars, emptying clip after clip and killing dozens in the process.
Charlie Hebdo would have looked like a picnic in contrast.

So, why isn't this an open-and-shut case?

To me, he looks a bit like one of those guys the FBI seem to pick up almost on a bi-weekly basis by having an undercover-agent post messages in radical islamic forums and recruiting willing subjects to kill "infidels".
The "low-hanging-fruit" of counter-terrorism, if you want to call it like that.
Maybe this guy was part of such a sting but ended up with a real weapon and an idea of how to make use of it?
Had he succeeded, he would most likely have been killed right on the spot on the first occasion by one of the SWAT teams.
And we all know: the winner writes the history books.

That said, he could just be a stupid guy that came into the possession of an AK47 and wanted to land a Ronnie-Biggs-style coup.



Gee ! I am glad I did my Military service in the 60is ,this is much longer then 15 years
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Old 24.08.2015, 22:36
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I don't know the names of the organizations responsible for that business in France.
The "SWAT"-teams have a different name (which I cannot remember and which I cannot be bothered to look up - but I think I'll recognize them, when I see them).
FBI is probably DGSI in France.
But a Frenchman can probably better answer that...
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Old 24.08.2015, 22:54
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

[QUOTE=lorena1;2438834]Hi crazygringo

The fact that you did not recognize my post was a direct response to marton, pointing out the fallacies of his writing, coupled with you attempting to twist my words is worrisome and to be honest makes it impossible to have a constructive discussion.

marton and others.. It's interesting how you refuse to respond to posts that challenge your concepts, instead preferring to switch to other sub-topics. Low confidence or lack of self-insight?[/QUOTE]


LOL, if you want to point at someone who refuses to respond to posts that challenge their concepts then try looking in a mirror



About "it impossible to have a constructive discussion." true when you keep trying to spin other peoples posts into claims of Islamic terrorism or Jihadists when you are the only one using these labels.
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Old 24.08.2015, 23:38
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@ marton

I hope you are aware that making an excuse and apologizing are two different things? An excuse is often used in the criminal law system as a defense, whereas apologies usually come after the hearing, when the accused has a chance to address everyone before the judge goes on to pronounce a judgement.
Not going to get into your other problematic statements but concerning Dzokar Tsarnaev, he wasn't part of a terrorist group, but rather (self)radicalized. He and his bro were acting on their own and not acting in connection with a group. Not to mention that his half hearted apologies are clearly legally, rather than morally motivated and therefore mean nothing.
@ Lorena 1 - you want to practice what you preach?
You've groaned at me in around 5-6 posts today, within 2 different threads.

I've no problem with this - but I did listen to your defence statements to this terrorist without comment or groans for a good couple of days...
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Old 24.08.2015, 23:43
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Regularity?


Lol, you wouldn't have lasted five minutes in Britain or Northern Ireland in the seventies. You'd have shat yourself to death.
Ever been to NI in the 70s ???

To the person who said that criminals and terrorists are often one and the same absolutely bang on - mostly just scum of very slightly different shades.
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Old 25.08.2015, 00:16
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Ever been to NI in the 70s ???
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Didn't need to. You exported your shittiness to England too, remember?

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Old 25.08.2015, 00:26
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Didn't need to. You exported your shittiness to England too, remember?

Funny you should bring up shit as you just got caught posting out of your arse again...
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Old 25.08.2015, 00:30
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Funny you should bring up shit as you just got caught posting out of your arse again...
Right, cos none of your lot ever blew up any pubs or shot any rail travellers or killed any kids shopping for mother's day cards at all, did they?

We've seen it all before, sweetheart. Bit different when it's yer own, though, isn't it?
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Old 25.08.2015, 00:35
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Right, cos none of your lot ever blew up any pubs or shot any rail travellers or killed any kids shopping for mother's day cards at all, did they?

We've seen it all before, sweetheart. Bit different when it's yer own, though, isn't it?
Hold on , lets go thru the chronology of posts here once again for the hard of remembering :

1) You post that Britain and NI in the 70s had much more regular terrorist incidents than France recently.

2) When questioned we find out you've never actually BEEN to NI in the 70s

3) You go on your usual personal attack after being found out - bit like the other thread where statistical proof showed you up for the small minded bigot you appear to be on this board...

EDIT : For what it's worth I bet my family has been a LOT more negatively affected by IRA scumbags than yours has ever or will ever be.
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Old 25.08.2015, 00:37
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Hold on , lets go thru the chronology of posts here once again for the hard of remembering :

1) You post that Britain and NI in the 70s had much more regular terrorist incidents than France recently.

2) When questioned we find out you've never actually BEEN to NI in the 70s

3) You go on your usual personal attack after being found out - bit like the other thread where statistical proof showed you up for the small minded bigot you appear to be on this board...
Are you drunk again?

You're making no sense at all.
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Old 25.08.2015, 00:42
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Hold on , lets go thru the chronology of posts here once again for the hard of remembering :

1) You post that Britain and NI in the 70s had much more regular terrorist incidents than France recently.

2) When questioned we find out you've never actually BEEN to NI in the 70s

3) You go on your usual personal attack after being found out - bit like the other thread where statistical proof showed you up for the small minded bigot you appear to be on this board...

EDIT : For what it's worth I bet my family has been a LOT more negatively affected by IRA scumbags than yours has ever or will ever be.

Here the list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._peace_process
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Hold on , lets go thru the chronology of posts here once again for the hard of remembering :

1) You post that Britain and NI in the 70s had much more regular terrorist incidents than France recently.

2) When questioned we find out you've never actually BEEN to NI in the 70s

3) You go on your usual personal attack after being found out - bit like the other thread where statistical proof showed you up for the small minded bigot you appear to be on this board...

EDIT : For what it's worth I bet my family has been a LOT more negatively affected by IRA scumbags than yours has ever or will ever be.
C'mon Parnell you're being too harsh with DB. It's OK to post personal opinions here...it's just a forum that used to be way funnier than these days...
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Old 25.08.2015, 00:48
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C'mon Parnell you're being too harsh with DB. It's OK to post personal opinions here...it's just a forum that used to be way funnier than these days...
It's ok, greenmount. He likes to dish it out, but doesn't like getting it back in his face.

I like playing bigot with bigots.
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Old 25.08.2015, 00:51
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

A page or two for various ways of playing games for 12 year olds, then maybe back on topic?

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Old 25.08.2015, 00:55
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

One of the obvious problems with that list is that it lumps in both sets of scumbags - IRA/INLA and UVF/Shankhill butchers/Special Bs/UDR.


@Greenmount - One of the few things I absolutely do not abide is English people labelling IRA scumbags as "my own". I've already had evidence of bigotry by DB on this forum before : Calais

I'm not an Irishman who moans and bitches about 800 years of occupation by the Brits - although that is a historical fact - I hate scumbags of any hue or nationality - but I absolutely will let a bigot away with slurs.

Quick aside : My old man was a champion boxer in college - he was also a part time captain in the local territorial army and therefore had keys to a gun case - which contained a total of one lousy rifle. When he refused to hand over the keys to the local scumbag IRA , 4 of them decided they would beat him to within an inch of his life rather than face him like men.
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Old 25.08.2015, 01:02
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

You just hate the fact that I'm playing you at your own game.

You dislike hordes of immigrants coming for our goodies and bringing terrorism with them? Well, that's what quite a lot of Brummies thought about your people.

They were wrong then just as you're wrong now.

Like I say: you can dish it out...
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Old 25.08.2015, 01:37
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Right, cos none of your lot ever blew up any pubs or shot any rail travellers or killed any kids shopping for mother's day cards at all, did they?

We've seen it all before, sweetheart. Bit different when it's yer own, though, isn't it?
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Hold on , lets go thru the chronology of posts here once again for the hard of remembering :

1) You post that Britain and NI in the 70s had much more regular terrorist incidents than France recently.

2) When questioned we find out you've never actually BEEN to NI in the 70s

3) You go on your usual personal attack after being found out - bit like the other thread where statistical proof showed you up for the small minded bigot you appear to be on this board...

EDIT : For what it's worth I bet my family has been a LOT more negatively affected by IRA scumbags than yours has ever or will ever be.

I also disagree with this BS I hope it makes you feel better
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Old 25.08.2015, 06:15
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Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train

Can we go back to the French train please? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34042780

News on the BBC about the train crew locking themselves in a service room, "without waving any white flags" - they were certainly in a hurry!
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You just hate the fact that I'm playing you at your own game.

You dislike hordes of immigrants coming for our goodies and bringing terrorism with them? Well, that's what quite a lot of Brummies thought about your people.

They were wrong then just as you're wrong now.

Like I say: you can dish it out...
Don't fool yourself though, even those you're protecting now will have exactly the same opinion about future waves of immigrants. In fact, UKIP in UK managed to gather quite a few people from the so called minorities. Imagine, Indians and Pakistanis being terrified by the hordes of East-Europeans!!! Und so weiter und so fort.
In all of your gaming I don't like personal attacks, have to be honest on that. But, do as you please, it's just a forum.
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Oh, OK. See, I thought you were using orange to represent "Islamic people" and apple to represent "terrorists" with your point being that we shouldn't automatically equate one as the other. WHICH I AGREE WITH!

I then took your analogy and ran with it to correct your assumption that I thought otherwise.

But now I am confused. Perhaps an analogy using farm animals and code words would be clearer this time. Whatever you do, please refrain from using any "religious term" and words that start with "terror" and end with "ist" in the same sentence or paragraph, regardless of context.

BTW, I have a feeling others are following my point just fine, so forgive me if I use italics, bold and quotations this time.
Ok. I didn't use orange or apple as a code for whatever else. It's simply a reference to the proverb of comparing apples with oranges.

My point is that he shouldn't be labeled terrorist at all, islamist or otherwise, before it's clear that he (in his eyes) does "fight" (to call it that) for some greater good (which at that point wasn't clear I think).
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