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Old 05.09.2015, 18:59
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

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Refugees refusing water from Hungarian police....sorry...it's just unbelievable.

Can anyone give a rational explanation why they would do that? It really makes no sense to me.

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Here's some grateful, desperate refugees receiving a donation in Budapest:

The refugees are probably getting desperate, I can imagine if you don't eat, sleep properly, haven't showered in days/weeks, etc. you start turning into animals.

The part I don't get, is that Hungary has tent-camps prepared for the refugees where they can get proper food, sleep, showers, etc...but they refuse them and instead are squatting at the train station in an attempt to get to Germany.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

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The part I don't get, is that Hungary has tent-camps prepared for the refugees where they can get proper food, sleep, showers, etc...but they refuse them and instead are squatting at the train station in an attempt to get to Germany.

Because they think Hungary will register them as arriving there, so they'll be stuck there, and it is not clrear whether they'd be recognized as refugees or maybe sent back? That's the reason also why relatively few come to CH which is sending them back to a EU country they entered first.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

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The U.S. & UK should stay clear from this, reminds about morose way how they had handled the Middle East conflicts. However, the EU stands the real test of time to prove how in fact they united and joint are ... That's is instead of representing disjoint cultures and double standards with multiple excuses shoved on the table "how they have enough of their own problems and what what ..."

I wonder where are rich countries like Emirates and Saudi Arabia reaching out with helpful hand to handle their own folks. Guess they must be busy backing up the other side of the conflict.
US, UK and France are the ones who should accept their fair share of refugees...but as always they're trying to dodge the column now.
How predictable.
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Old 06.09.2015, 09:33
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Because they think Hungary will register them as arriving there, so they'll be stuck there, and it is not clrear whether they'd be recognized as refugees or maybe sent back? That's the reason also why relatively few come to CH which is sending them back to a EU country they entered first.
Yes right. Numbers tell the story:

- more likely to be refused asylum in Hungary than in Germany or Sweden (Eurostat, 2014)

- already large syrian community in Germany & Sweden than in any other country (Eurostat, 2014).

Differences in accepting/refusing refugees is linked with country's demography, unemployment rate and geopolitical interest. Again, Orban in Hungary and other countries (Slovakia, Slovenia) clearly stated they don't want a certain type of refugees using nationalism and identity preservation as argument.
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Old 06.09.2015, 10:01
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US, UK and France are the ones who should accept their fair share of refugees...but as always they're trying to dodge the column now.
How predictable.
That would be called humanitarian paradise not crisis

Interestingly, it didn't take long to publish this ... Diversion to take attention off who stirred the whole mess first into finding whose problem it should eventually be

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rias-refugees/

As Amnesty International recently pointed out, the "six Gulf countries -- Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain -- have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees."
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That would be called humanitarian paradise not crisis

Interestingly, it didn't take long to publish this ... Diversion to take attention off who stirred the whole mess first into finding whose problem it should eventually be

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rias-refugees/

As Amnesty International recently pointed out, the "six Gulf countries -- Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain -- have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees."
Apparently is only Europe's fault and business to deal with everything. Interesting enough, no-one seems to point a finger at these ones. Everyone shouts islamophobia and racism. I'm sick of it, really.
Some of the European countries are rich and probably wouldn't be a problem for them, but the ones in the Eastern part have serious problems with helping their own citizens. So, why should they be forced to accept a certain number of refugees? Let them decide on how many people they can take care of...not based on religion or other things like this of course, but when you're not able to look after your own citizens and you'll probably have to raise taxes once again so you can help others....that is already unacceptable even for those who want their country to help.
You can't cut salaries from teachers and doctors but help thousands of refugees who don't even want to be in your country in the first place.
Interesting times ahead.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Thank you all for donations!


Few photos from happy refugees at the Austrian border:


https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/1550...c4813_orig.jpg


https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...68&oe=565F1BD8


https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/26/5...e0125_orig.jpg


https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...0e&oe=5667E1CA


https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...6c&oe=5668CC0B


https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...ec&oe=56A8E271


https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...f9&oe=566A00BD


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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

thank you for the pics, and for what you're doing. I'm in the u.s. and feel very inadequate. when I look at my grandbaby and think of those children, I donate another $10.
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Old 07.09.2015, 15:24
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Whoever is truly interested in the background stories can have them all in the media.
Volunteers cleaned the roads. Me myself have just finished washing 6 sacks of blankets and sleeping bags for 2 days. The picture is taken by an other volunteer.

Current needs: tents, blankets, sleeping bags, sleeping mats, heaters (electronic with EU plug or gas heater). Thanks for all the contributors.
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Old 07.09.2015, 16:02
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

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Whoever is truly interested in the background stories can have them all in the media.
Volunteers cleaned the roads. Me myself have just finished washing 6 sacks of blankets and sleeping bags for 2 days. The picture is taken by an other volunteer.

Current needs: tents, blankets, sleeping bags, sleeping mats, heaters (electronic with EU plug or gas heater). Thanks for all the contributors.
Which location do you need the supplies for?



Toni7,

what are you intending to achieve by posting a bunch of links to pictures?
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

The needs change by the hour.

Right now there are some (50 - 100) people in the tranzit zones, appr. 1000 at the south border.
The registration is very slow and they have to spend the night on the field (4 degrees C at night). So blankets and tents are more needed in the south.

There are collection points in Budapest and the transport of goods to Szeged / Röszke has been started.

It can happen that it will be completely otherwise tomorrow.



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what are you intending to achieve by posting a bunch of links to pictures?
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Just showing how thankful are those poor people:

http://imgur.com/gallery/CSyv9



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what are you intending to achieve by posting a bunch of links to pictures?
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

I wonder if they were in a hurry or had other things on their mind....
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Old 07.09.2015, 16:34
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Just showing how thankful are those poor people:

http://imgur.com/gallery/CSyv9
Have you ever seen Zurich after Street Parade or Glastonbury the Monday after the festival? Large numbers of people create a large mess. That's normal. Not nice, but normal.


Furthermore, are you expecting the refugees to be angels? They're people like anyone else: quite a lot of them are probably arseholes.


But so what? Even if 990 out of every thousand are arseholes, there are families sleeping on concrete, scared children, worried moms and dads. They deserve our help, even if the rest of them are undeserving in your opinion.


You don't have to help, of course - that's your choice - but I should imagine the OP would be grateful if you could quit clogging this thread with unhelpful, spiteful propaganda photographs which tell nothing like the full story.
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Just showing how thankful are those poor people:

http://imgur.com/gallery/CSyv9
Nothing wrong there. It's just a typical picture of bus left which western Africans have been using for commuting in their daily life somewhere down in banana republic ...

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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

It is not that they are bad or dirty people. These buses, trains did not have a schedule at all. This action was absolutely not planned neither communicated properly. First about 1000 refugees started to march from Keleti towards Vienna.
In the meantime football ultras started a fight in Budapest and ruined a whole district. They burnt cars and broke a lot of things. These brave heros wanted to fight with the refugees (women, children, all the same, they are not frightened of anyone!).
A lot of policemen were mobilized.

Therefore at 9 pm the government decided to pick up everyone from Keleti station and from the highway.
It meant that the volunteers had to spread the news and explain it to everyone possibly.
The news spread on facebook. The buses were late, the refugees did not trust anyone any longer.
Volunteers had to board the bus as well. Some refugees were following the route on GPS. They did not believe the officials any longer.
And then it got clear that the border is open and even the trains go again until the border.

Then people broke out from Bicske, Röszke and Vámosszabadi (camps). All rushed towards the border.

And now some armchair democrats expect the refugees to act organized and pick up trash as they run.
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Therefore at 9 pm the government decided to pick up everyone from Keleti station and from the highway.
What happened that they changed their mind? I read they wanted to cancel all trains to Austria.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

I know you (and the other groups helping refugees) are totally busy, but can someone start finding out what professions or jobs these people had? it would make it easier to find them jobs, especially if you show they are not only goat herders, which I think some people think. there are places in the world that are depopulating and could probably use an entire community transplanted there to jumpstart their economy. God bless you for your advocacy. maybe this notice will also bring assistance to those in camps in Jordan and elsewhere.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

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I know you (and the other groups helping refugees) are totally busy, but can someone start finding out what professions or jobs these people had? it would make it easier to find them jobs, especially if you show they are not only goat herders, which I think some people think. there are places in the world that are depopulating and could probably use an entire community transplanted there to jumpstart their economy. God bless you for your advocacy. maybe this notice will also bring assistance to those in camps in Jordan and elsewhere.
Maybe there is a reason entire regions are depopulating.
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there are places in the world that are depopulating and could probably use an entire community transplanted there to jumpstart their economy. .
Did someone actually ask them about these plans? If they are refugees it doesn't mean they should be moved from one place to another without even being asked...
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