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Old 27.08.2015, 16:07
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Unfortunately very, very horrific news just released in Austria is on the same topic (using Google Translate):

In Austria , the corpses of potentially 50 refugees have been discovered in a truck . The vehicle was in a breakdown bay on the A4 motorway between Neusiedl and Parndorf near the Hungarian border, police said on Thursday.

The " Kronen Zeitung " reports of up to 50 dead it is said by the police. Death probably occurred some time ago . The vehicle was a truck, which normally loaded foods.
OK, the link is now available on a English site. Police found this today on the Austrian / Hungarian border.

"The tragedy again underlined the urgent need for common EU policies to protect migrants and to combat people traffickers, she said.
In Vienna, Serbia and Macedonia have told the summit that EU must come up with an action plan to respond to the influx of migrants into Europe.":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34073534

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Old 27.08.2015, 16:08
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So your plan is to fill your car up with food and goods and distribute it to Syrian refugees once you get to Hungary?

Is it not a bit much effort? I mean, how long does it take to empty a car load of goods? For all that effort, you may end up helping a few people, but is it worth it?
Your intentions are very noble, but I just don't think it'd be worth it.
For many people in need, the fact of someone going in person demonstrates that the world is not ignoring their plight, and they are not alone.
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Old 27.08.2015, 16:19
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For many people in need, the fact of someone going in person demonstrates that the world is not ignoring their plight, and they are not alone.
By mobilising the army, erecting a razor wire fence and deploying tear gas, it seems that Hungary isn't ignoring them either.
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Old 27.08.2015, 16:26
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By mobilising the army, erecting a razor wire fence and deploying tear gas, it seems that Hungary isn't ignoring them either.
This whole thing is being mismanaged by governments. You can't really look to them to lead anymore. Hence the value of Soleil's planned gesture.

I don't know about "the World", and not to politicise, but I particularly appreciate the demonstration of the difference between ISIS and the West.
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Old 27.08.2015, 16:28
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

To stay on topic, that is why your help is valuable.
For online grocery orders to Szeged Migration Aid, please pm me.
I am getting a delivery address for Budapest as well.

For stuff to send directly please pm me.
Ideas for help in other forms / joining in the collection are also welcome.

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This whole thing is being mismanaged by governments. You can't really look to them to lead anymore. Hence the value of Soleil's planned gesture.

I don't know about "the World", and not to politicise, but I particularly appreciate the demonstration of the difference between Saudi and other rich middle-eastern countries and the West.
fixed that for you
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Old 27.08.2015, 16:31
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To stay on topic, that is why your help is valuable.
For online grocery orders to Szeged Migration Aid, please pm me.
I am getting a delivery address for Budapest as well.

For stuff to send directly please pm me.
Ideas for help in other forms / joining in the collection are also welcome.
Good luck
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Nice gesture! But make sure the food is halal with halal-certificate signed by a soenniet imam, issued by an approved halal-producer, otherwise the "refugees" will not touch it.
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Old 27.08.2015, 17:18
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Nice gesture! But make sure the food is halal with halal-certificate signed by a soenniet imam, issued by an approved halal-producer, otherwise the "refugees" will not touch it.
I assumed those refugees were comprised of Christians and Yazidis amongst them.
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Old 27.08.2015, 17:27
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Hungary is flooded with migrants because it is a Schengen country with a boarder to Serbia. The majority of migrants are coming to Europe from the Balkans, so you may end up helping Mr Krasniqi and chums from Kosovo instead.
Hungary is flooded with Hungarians who have had their pensions slashed, social security slashed, don't have health insurance or savings and who have now been turned out of their appartments etc etc by an irresponsible government.

If you see a homeless old person, bear a thought and a little help for them too.
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Old 27.08.2015, 17:28
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

The halal thing is a good point, though I doubt Solei was going to ship tons of meet in there, when there are other foods that are more filling and more durable. There are different ethnic groups and different religions in Syria so no two people are the same. I heard some being strictly halal, others prefering certain animal meats halal, others not (e.g. usually lamb has to be halal, but beef can be non halal).
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest



I apologise. Above took place in Serbia, NOT Hungary.
On a serious note, I do think this is a great gesture, and 1000x more than the majority here is willing to do (including me). Its just very hard to not get depressed or narcissistic, about the fact that the majority are economic refugees, taking away much needed resources from people who do need it desperately.
I do admire this action and will no longer steal this thread, cheers
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Old 27.08.2015, 17:38
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I apologise. Above took place in Serbia, NOT Hungary.
On a serious note, I do think this is a great gesture, and 1000x more than the majority here is willing to do (including me). Its just very hard to not get depressed or narcissistic, about the fact that the majority are economic refugees, taking away much needed resources from people who do need it desperately.
I do admire this action and will no longer steal this thread, cheers
Well now this is a humanitarian crisis that should be responded to in the immediate timeframe. Beyond this, they really need to apply more brains on how they are going to process everybody, and how they choose who can stay permanently and who cannot. Governments really need to rethink their immigration policies and social experimentations. I believe that is a discussion that can still be had after dealing with more time sensitive priorities.
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Old 27.08.2015, 17:47
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

articles like this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0a40aa3ac2ef4

elaborate how desperate the situation is especially for children, newborns and young women. Solei and other volunteers being there in person and lending moral and material support is admirable and might give them some hope for the future.
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The halal thing is a good point, though I doubt Solei was going to ship tons of meet in there, when there are other foods that are more filling and more durable. There are different ethnic groups and different religions in Syria so no two people are the same. I heard some being strictly halal, others prefering certain animal meats halal, others not (e.g. usually lamb has to be halal, but beef can be non halal).
Keep us updated about your visit please and have a safe trip.
Halal is not only about meat. It could also be linked to foods containing ingredients such as certain gelatin, enzymes, emulsifiers and added flavours.
Also food has to be processed, made, produced, and/or stored using equipment that have been cleansed to islamic law (officially).
And less-strict moslims? They will soon become the fundamental shariah obeying muslims due to group pressure. (see previous youtube clip).

To the OP: food based on gelatine from fish is ok.
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Hungary is flooded with Hungarians who have had their pensions slashed, social security slashed, don't have health insurance or savings and who have now been turned out of their appartments etc etc by an irresponsible government.

If you see a homeless old person, bear a thought and a little help for them too.
Back home is the same amogles and people still want to help others too! I was very touched to see the donations for Nepal for instance. Sorry, people from poorer countries can be generous too.
I don't see the relevance of your point, frankly. If you can help please do so, if not...at least don't try to discourage other people.

Btw, the Hungarian government did ask for more funds from EU to be able to deal with this humanitarian crisis. I'm too tired to post any link, sorry.

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Hungary is flooded with migrants because it is a Schengen country with a boarder to Serbia. The majority of migrants are coming to Europe from the Balkans, so you may end up helping Mr Krasniqi and chums from Kosovo instead.
so, poor people from Kosovo who will probably get sent home when they reach Germany = not deserving of aid.

people from Syria, many of whom payed 10K + to get there and who will probably be allowed to stay in Germany = deserving of aid

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Back home is the same amogles and people still want to help others too! I was very touched to see the donations for Nepal for instance. Sorry, people from poorer countries can be generous too.
I don't see the relevance of your point, frankly. If you can help please do so, if not...at least don't try to discourage other people.
old people = not deserving of aid

I'm not discouraging anybody, just highlighting double standards.
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so, poor people from Kosovo who will probably get sent home when they reach Germany = not deserving of aid.
They're not refugees, and know that they're likely to get turned back once they arrive so it's their own fault. No sympathy should be had. You help them and it encourages more.

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people from Syria, many of whom payed 10K + to get there and who will probably be allowed to stay in Germany = deserving of aid
These are real refugees who should be helped as much as possible. Once things have settled in Syria they would normally return.

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How about you discussing your valuable thoughts with all those people who are interested in them in your special topic? Probably you would get a bigger echo there. It is really off topic here. Thanks a bunch.

And here is the link for you so that you can support the homeless people.
http://www.menhely.hu/index.php/english/our-mission
And of course you can do such volunteer job / donation here as well.
You do not need to lecture anyone here.
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