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Old 27.08.2015, 19:53
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bvhno8-YjQ

Everywhere is freaks and hairies
Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
Tax the rich, feed the poor
'Til there are no rich no more

I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you

Population keeps on breeding
Nation bleeding, still more feeding economy
Life is funny, skies are sunny
Bees make honey, who needs money, No none for me

World pollution, there's no solution
Institution, electrocution
Just black and white, rich or poor
Senators stop the war

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Old 27.08.2015, 20:15
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Everywhere is freaks and hairies
Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
I'm sorry Lorena1, but I really don't see these homophobic comments as being relevant to the post .

I hope the thread can stay on track - I personally don't find it a topic to be treated lightly.
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Old 27.08.2015, 20:53
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

When I volunteered for a human rights org, we played this song (amon others) and it had a powerful impact on the volunteers and the people who came to receive free food. It is a timeless song and show how unfortunately some things don’t change.. The rich get richer and the poor are left behind. The more thankful I am to see people who give back.

That’s why I posted it. Perhaps bringing some music isn’t a bad idea (given you have enough space for that). Kids might enjoy music or audio books, though I realize these are luxuries.Didn’t mean to hijack your thread.

@ ZR
You are reading the lines wrong. Alvin Lee wrote these lines from the point of view of those shouting hurtful things to (mostly) hippies, who were advocating social change back then. Then he contrasts these allegedly evil people with the real evil in the world, which in his view is the upper class that ignores things like poverty. Some see the haris as a reference of Hare-Krishna (eg saffron robes) though I’m not sure about that.
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Old 27.08.2015, 22:31
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How about you discussing your valuable thoughts with all those people who are interested in them in your special topic? Probably you would get a bigger echo there. It is really off topic here. Thanks a bunch.
Loz has a point here germaine to your topic. If your objectives are to alleviate suffering, you would certainly wouldn't want to encourage it. Unless what you are more interested in is to makesome political statement. But...

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They're not refugees, and know that they're likely to get turned back once they arrive so it's their own fault. No sympathy should be had. You help them and it encourages more.
Given that Hungary has already erected barb-wired fences, I'm not sure the charity effort individuals provide would weigh as much in encouraging them. Barb wired fences are discouraging enough, no? The encouragement that is really taking place is in Germany.

And by the way, it looks like most of those who make it there will be there to stay. Germany ought to prepare for managing any ensuing culture clashes. In any group of people, there are a small percentage of geniuses. And then there are a large percentage of stupid people. When you put stupid people next to each other, stupid things typically happen.

@Lorena1: You're making me want to barf.

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articles like this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0a40aa3ac2ef4

elaborate how desperate the situation is especially for children, newborns and young women. Solei and other volunteers being there in person and lending moral and material support is admirable and might give them some hope for the future.
So here you have this tear jerker story from the Huffington Post. Fine enough. But then there are also those hormonally charged young males swarming and marauding. I don't think we need to stupid about this. We're adults, and can should be able to see this lucidly and objectively, no? No need to try to hoodwink, as its kinda insulting to intelligence.
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Old 28.08.2015, 12:56
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Statement from Budapest City Council: "we have got no obligation or anything to do with the illegal immigrants".
Therefore they do not get anything. They are obliged to travel through the country to a refugee camp without any information, food, drink, medical aid.
Last night I made a last minute shopping of nursing bottles, nappies and cheese.
These supplies are running out fast.
This has got nothing to do with world politics or nationality.
There are apocaliptical situations at the main stations. Refugees standing in long queues at the street kitchen.
Which is run by civilians from civil donations.
That is why I try to raise donations.
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Old 28.08.2015, 13:35
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Statement from Budapest City Council: "we have got no obligation or anything to do with the illegal immigrants".
Therefore they do not get anything.
Non sequitur.

There is a big difference betwen not having an obligation (a legal viewpoint) and not doing anything (a factual situation).

My friends in Budapest tell me the city definitely is handing out stuff.

They're also saying some refugees are collecting multiple food packages and selling them to others for money.

Sorry, sometimes the facts on the ground don't match one's romantic notions.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Muslims who were among migrants trying to get from Libya to Italy in a boat threw 12 fellow passengers overboard -- killing them -- because the 12 were Christians, Italian police said:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/16/eu...ard/index.html
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

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OK, the link is now available on a English site. Police found this today on the Austrian / Hungarian border.

"The tragedy again underlined the urgent need for common EU policies to protect migrants and to combat people traffickers, she said.
In Vienna, Serbia and Macedonia have told the summit that EU must come up with an action plan to respond to the influx of migrants into Europe.":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34073534
In other more recent news....

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At a news conference in the town of Eisenstadt, Hans Peter Doskozil, police chief for the province of Burgenland, said one Syrian travel document had been found among the victims but that it was too early to say from which countries the entire group had come.
Of the 71 dead, 59 were men, 8 were women, and four were children, including a girl estimated at 1-2 years old and three boys of roughly 8-10 years.

The vehicle had come to Austria from Hungary and is believed to have been parked on the highway for at least 24 hours before it was discovered.
Doskozil said there were "signs" that a Bulgarian-Hungarian trafficker ring was behind the deaths. Of the three people arrested in Hungary, one was Bulgarian-Lebanese, another Bulgarian and the third of Hungarian nationality.
Thousands of people from countries like Afghanistan or Syria have fled through the Balkans to Austria, pushing the number of asylum requests to 28,300 in the first six months of this year - more than the total for all of 2014.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.673409
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.673409

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Old 28.08.2015, 14:51
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"The tragedy again underlined the urgent need for common EU policies to protect migrants and to combat people traffickers, she said.
In Vienna, Serbia and Macedonia have told the summit that EU must come up with an action plan to respond to the influx of migrants into Europe.":
Common EU policies?! They could stop this happening overnight if they just got rid of Schengen.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Your friends are wrong: "city" does not handle out anything. Food is being prepared by civilians from donations from civilians. And it is unfortunately not enough.
As there are only a few people out to help, there can be problems with the distribution.
But how do they know it? If they were there, they should have known that this is not coming from the city.
I am sorry that refugees and volunteers are not living up to your standards.

And, why does helping refugees bother you SO much? Being in the lucky position of "Ausländer in der Schweiz".



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Non sequitur.

There is a big difference betwen not having an obligation (a legal viewpoint) and not doing anything (a factual situation).

My friends in Budapest tell me the city definitely is handing out stuff.

They're also saying some refugees are collecting multiple food packages and selling them to others for money.

Sorry, sometimes the facts on the ground don't match one's romantic notions.
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Old 28.08.2015, 15:02
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

She's right; apart from providing sanitary facilities, the city hasn't been doing much. Volunteers are pretty much the only ones doing something helpful.

http://www.n-tv.de/politik/Bahnhof-i...e15809931.html

Während Ungarns Bürger helfen, plant die Regierung den Bau eines Grenzzauns.

Many thanks to people like Solei providing much needed support..
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Old 28.08.2015, 15:13
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

So, instead of commenting and disinformation, can we give space to those who want to help?
Rainy weather is inevitably coming. Refugees will need tents, sleeping bags, medication (OTC and prescribed as well). Food, clothes, information in their language (maps and informative materials are all printed by civilians as well).
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Old 28.08.2015, 15:24
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So, instead of commenting and disinformation, can we give space to those who want to help?
I didn't say it was disinformation. I said it was a non sequitur. Not the same thing.

Besides which, I think people who are living in Budapest are more aware of what is happening there that somebody in Zug reading German news sites. Oh, and by the way, the fence is not being built by the city of Budapest but by the central government. Please get your facts straight.

The whole point about a forum is that people can express opinions including critical ones. If you want a personal soap box, get yourself one.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Thanks for sharing!

A baby has just been born at the Keleti station, in the street.
Welcome to Hungary.

(hospital is 350 m, 4 minutes walk)

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She's right; apart from providing sanitary facilities, the city hasn't been doing much. Volunteers are pretty much the only ones doing something helpful.

http://www.n-tv.de/politik/Bahnhof-i...e15809931.html

Während Ungarns Bürger helfen, plant die Regierung den Bau eines Grenzzauns.

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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Thank you for sharing what you are thinking. And I think, you should not go into personal comments. As for soap box, I have already got one: I started this topic! So may I kindly ask you, if you want a personal soap box, go get one?

Yours was not an opinion but false information.





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I didn't say it was disinformation. I said it was a non sequitur. Not the same thing.

Besides which, I think people who are living in Budapest are more aware of what is happening there that somebody in Zug reading German news sites. Oh, and by the way, the fence is not being built by the city of Budapest but by the central government. Please get your facts straight.

The whole point about a forum is that people can express opinions including critical ones. If you want a personal soap box, get yourself one.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Indeed, welcome to this world little one.. let's hope your life will be better than your parents' lives. I hope the baby is awarded a refugee visa in some European country. The UNHCR has an office in Budapest. They have reported on recent developments and listed their number in case someone is interested in more information.. I'll link to the site here: http://www.unhcr.org/55e036776.html


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Thanks for sharing!

A baby has just been born at the Keleti station, in the street.
Welcome to Hungary.

(hospital is 350 m, 4 minutes walk)
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They paid > 10000Eur to come to Europe, how come they don't have a money for soap now? Or they just want to live for free here?

Just send them back home, sooner better for all of us. Real refugees are woman with young children, not 20 years old aggressive guys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZT0HdCc73Q

They Syrian Pound even in good times was rubbish, Syrians are NOT aggressive , Many Syrians lost all housing and flats due to bombardements

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By mobilising the army, erecting a razor wire fence and deploying tear gas, it seems that Hungary isn't ignoring them either.

When others helped Hungarians in 1945-49 and in 1956 to 58 and in 68 to 59 and in 99 and to 2000 it was alright but now they have become arrogrant snobs
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

You know stuff like this would't happen if they didn't have an incentive to come here.

The only people that are profiting out of this situation are people smugglers.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

This is Migration Aid at South Station and some of the donations. These photos were taken after appr. 60 people went to sleep in the tranzit zone. There are some tents but these are set aside for families / children. We do not have enough of them. People were happy to get some fruuts, food and some care.
The storage looks upside down because there is hardly any furniture, clothes and food are as they were delivered and handled out quickly.

We also had to review their refugee papers as they are routes to different camps but of course noone tells them how to get to the other part of the country.
If they cannot reach the last train to the camp they spend the night in one of the tranzit zones.
We are running low on sleeping bags, blankets and mattresses.
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