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Old 31.08.2015, 14:23
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

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different reasons:
-relatives already living there or existence of a community (like afghan and now syrian).
- refugees feel their rights will be respected in Germany but far less in Hungary or Slovakia.
- positive image of Germany (economy, education, heathcare.....) they see it as probably the best place for their children to have a future.

The following European countries (Tier 1) enjoy outstanding reputation among all Middle Easterners:

Tier 1: Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, the Netherlands, England (*) and Iceland

Followed by:

Tier 2: Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Italy, Scotland, Wales

Tier 3: Spain, Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, Malta, Greece, Slovenia

Tier 4: All other Countries of former YU, Russia, Albania, Hungary, Bulgaria

Tier 5: All other EU countries

Tier 6: CIS countries (excl. Russia)

(*) Historically, most Middle Easterners have always had extremely negative views of English people. The French are viewed slightly more positively, but still far less positively than the Italians. Germans, on the other hand, are definitely loved.
With all these being said, due British influence in ME, most Middle Easterners prefer to move to England rather than to Italy or even France.

NB: I did not include the microstates.
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Old 31.08.2015, 14:57
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Hungary has a long history of being kicked kicking around and overruning by other nations, with their buddies the Austrians.
FTFY.

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Old 31.08.2015, 18:49
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So, 2 young guys were laying on a cardboard in the street, I gave them the text, they were somewhat relieved. They were happy to get bottles of water and apple. They were hungry and showed me that they wanted a flying animal. Got chicken burgers for them.
Thanks so much, what you are doing out there is admirable. I personally would never have thought that this would mean they needed a chicken burger .
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Old 31.08.2015, 21:36
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

It is difficult to find halal food here. They seem to trust Mcdonalds.
And luckily we have got immigrants from Turkey, Syria, Iran, Irak and other countries and we have got gyros / döner.

It was a nice gesture when a Chinese community sent a truck full of water and food to Keleti.


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Thanks so much, what you are doing out there is admirable. I personally would never have thought that this would mean they needed a chicken burger .
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Old 31.08.2015, 22:19
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The following European countries (Tier 1) enjoy outstanding reputation among all Middle Easterners:

Tier 1: Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, the Netherlands, England (*) and Iceland

Followed by:

Tier 2: Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Italy, Scotland, Wales

Tier 3: Spain, Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, Malta, Greece, Slovenia

Tier 4: All other Countries of former YU, Russia, Albania, Hungary, Bulgaria

Tier 5: All other EU countries

Tier 6: CIS countries (excl. Russia)
It's probably coincidence, but that list corresponds almost exactly to the countries wealth and social benefit generosity.

Budapest is a beautiful city, I'm still kind of baffled why anyone fleeing war would want to leave there. I'd take Budapest over Berlin any day.
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Old 31.08.2015, 22:38
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It's probably coincidence...
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Old 31.08.2015, 22:52
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That will change quickly as soon as the first social benefit payments kick in...
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Old 31.08.2015, 23:35
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

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This thread has been taken massively off topic and demonstrates in my opinion both the 'Best' and 'Worst' of EF. Soleil is undertaking a humanitarian drive to a defined place in Hungary where there is a real crisis, so you can either show support and engage with her, or I would suggest, 'move on'.

Conflating it with Libyan playboys in Malta or pouring scorn on refugees in general is a topic for another thread (for which there are many).
Please people stay on topic or go to another thread for off -topic
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Old 01.09.2015, 01:06
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

There is a facebook group called "let's help refugees in Hungary -English group"
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1481045622191344/

For anyone who is interested, wants to help, etc.
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Old 01.09.2015, 08:30
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The following European countries (Tier 1) enjoy outstanding reputation among all Middle Easterners:

Tier 1: Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, the Netherlands, England (*) and Iceland

Followed by:

Tier 2: Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Italy, Scotland, Wales

Tier 3: Spain, Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, Malta, Greece, Slovenia

Tier 4: All other Countries of former YU, Russia, Albania, Hungary, Bulgaria

Tier 5: All other EU countries

Tier 6: CIS countries (excl. Russia)

(*) Historically, most Middle Easterners have always had extremely negative views of English people. The French are viewed slightly more positively, but still far less positively than the Italians. Germans, on the other hand, are definitely loved.
With all these being said, due British influence in ME, most Middle Easterners prefer to move to England rather than to Italy or even France.

NB: I did not include the microstates.
When you're running away because of the wars and conflicts you shouldn't be a chooser (theoretically), right?
Btw, does Russia receive refugees?
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Old 01.09.2015, 08:40
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

I heard on the radio just now that Hungary has finally allowed around 2000 refuges to leave on trains heading for either Germany or Austria. They were mostly Syrians and were the ones who were able to purchase a train ticket.

The Austrians held the trains up at the border for a few hours as they tried to check all their papers and send back all the ones who had already claimed asylum in Hungary but in the end they gave up and just let them all in.
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I heard on the radio just now that Hungary has finally allowed around 2000 refuges to leave on trains heading for either Germany or Austria. They were mostly Syrians and were the ones who were able to purchase a train ticket.

The Austrians held the trains up at the border for a few hours as they tried to check all their papers and send back all the ones who had already claimed asylum in Hungary but in the end they gave up and just let them all in.
In another article a Syrian interviewee was saying he was relieved that no-one asked for their passports so it went faster.
In other news, Frau Merkel is asking for a "fair" distribution across EU which means even those countries which can't afford receiving refugees and treating them according to some standards will have to accept their share. She should decide when is she sincere - when she welcomes the refugees to Germany or when she threatens with dissolving the Schengen agreement.
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Old 01.09.2015, 09:34
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In another article a Syrian interviewee was saying he was relieved that no-one asked for their passports so it went faster.
In other news, Frau Merkel is asking for a "fair" distribution across EU which means even those countries which can't afford receiving refugees and treating them according to some standards will have to accept their share. She should decide when is she sincere - when she welcomes the refugees to Germany or when she threatens with dissolving the Schengen agreement.
Merkel isn't Hitler, nor is Germany the EU. She can insist as much as she likes for redistribution of the migrants, but the rest of the EU countries won't want to take them nor will the migrants themselves want to go.

With much of southern Europe already pissed off with her handling of Greece, this could end up being another nail in the coffin for this little European experiment.
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Merkel isn't Hitler, nor is Germany the EU. She can insist as much as she likes for redistribution of the migrants, but the rest of the EU countries won't want to take them nor will the migrants themselves want to go.

With much of southern Europe already pissed off with her handling of Greece, this could end up being another nail in the coffin for this little European experiment.
How about she stops playing the Mutter Merkel role? Taking up refugees from the whole world wasn't part of any deal as far as I know.
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Frustrated refugees, pouring into Hungary at a rate of over 2,000 per day during August, had set up ever-growing makeshift camps outside the two main stations in Budapest.


Patience was running thin as the camps grew. “Germany Yes! Hungary No! Let us leave!” chanted hundreds of mostly Syrians during angry protests at the weekend, demanding that a recent easing of asylum rules by Berlin meant they could go at last.


“Syrians call [Chancellor Angela] Merkel ‘Mama Merkel’,” he said, referring to the German leader’s relatively compassionate response so far to the crisis.
Ok, reading the article about the refugees in Hungary heading to Germany, it becomes a little more clear, they are running into the arms of "Mama Merkel", ie: a rich country with a compassionate leader towards refugees. I guess why should refugees stay in a country like Hungary, where they are not so welcome and social payments are much lower.

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Ok, reading the article about the refugees in Hungary heading to Germany, it becomes a little more clear, they are running into the arms of "Mama Merkel", ie: a rich country with a compassionate leader towards refugees. I guess why should refugees stay in a country like Hungary, where they are not so welcome and social payments are much lower.
I don't blame the refugees ! But it is obvious there is a route Greece -(reaction to how Germany treated the Greeks maybe?)-Macedonia-Serbia-Hungary which isn't aleatory. It is obvious an entire, vast international network of smugglers can be organised if sponsored....by "someone". Let's not fool ourselves....any wild guess who can be behind all of these, Esto?
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It is obvious an entire, vast international network of smugglers can be organised if sponsored....by "someone". Let's not fool ourselves....any wild guess who can be behind all of these, Esto?
I'm not sure what you're implying? To me, the smugglers don't look to be state-sponsored, but rather low-level mafia types trying to capitalize on the situation.

Germany seems kind of "schizophrenic" about refugees, on one hand they say they are overwhelmed and can't handle the burden and want to off-load them to other EU countries, and on the other hand they are saying publicly that refugees are welcome in Germany, will be treated well, etc. and so people in Middle East and Africa hear this and pack their bags and head off to Germany...

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Please people stay on topic or go to another thread for off -topic
I agree, feeding hungry people is noble, but should it be done so without even discussing the general circumstances of the situation?
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I'm not sure what you're implying? To me, the smugglers don't look to be state-sponsored, but rather low-level mafia types trying to capitalize on the situation.
Smugglers weren't the point here, rather a small wheel from the whole mechanism.
Well to me it seems like Russia, possibly even the so called islamic state have something to do with this well directed mass movement. What I meant was that things are much more complicated than what simpletons are allowed to discuss.

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Germany seems kind of "schizophrenic" about refugees, on one hand they say they are overwhelmed and can't handle the burden and want to off-load them to other EU countries, and on the other hand they are saying publicly that refugees are welcome in Germany, will be treated well, etc. and so people in Middle East and Africa hear this and pack their bags and head off to Germany...
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Of course. You can't blame people for wanting to get there, and if Angie says so it seems Germany can foot the bill, all clear.

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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Meanwhile...

Migrants using fake Syrian passports to enter EU: border agency

http://news.yahoo.com/migrants-using...094700556.html
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In other news, Frau Merkel is asking for a "fair" distribution across EU which means even those countries which can't afford receiving refugees and treating them according to some standards will have to accept their share.
Yes, and Merkel even mentioned which countries in her eyes are not doing their fair share: UK, Ireland and Denmark. Hardly the poorest part of Europe, is it?

And very honestly: Which part of the EU is so poor that they could technically not afford to house and feed at least some refugees? All I see is that small countries like Poland were happy to send 2000 soldiers to Iraq with all expenses paid... but feeding a few refugees? "We don't want terrorists here"... as if the Iraqis really wanted them to come and kill.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...dont-like-them
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