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Good read in DW. It seems Germany is the top destination because of half-truths, rumors, etc. spread by other asylum seekers, in the media, etc. It sounds kind of like the mass migration of Europeans to the USA in the early 1900's who believed the "streets were paved in gold", only to be let down by the hard reality. I think ultimately these refugees will end up in large housing ghettos with little chance of the better life they think awaits them, eg. the Muslim ghettos around Paris.
Sounds like a famous Foxnews reporter who mentioned the "no-go zones" in Paris full of muslim warriors. Can you mention just one "Muslim ghetto" in Paris?
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Old 02.09.2015, 11:51
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I think ultimately these refugees will end up in large housing ghettos with little chance of the better life they think awaits them, eg. the Muslim ghettos around Paris.
Why are most refugees young men? For women and children is it enough to get out of the direct war zone, but young Syrian men have to flee the country... Because they are running away from Assads army - they'd be given a gun and send to the front to fight IS. Even a Muslim ghetto in Paris sounds like a better option than dying in the desert.

Same for all the "but there is no war in Eritrea anymore, why can't they just go back?" Because the local regime invented a permanent national service - young men are basically slaves of the local general for their entire lives. And some find that idea not that great...

But now let's get back to the "they are just here to steal our jobs/money/..."
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Sounds like a famous Foxnews reporter who mentioned the "no-go zones" in Paris full of muslim warriors. Can you mention just one "Muslim ghetto" in Paris?
Not getting the info from "FOX News", the Muslims who live there complain themselves about it. Are you saying they don't exist?

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"On my class photos more than half the kids were white," he says. "On today's pictures only one or two are."
L'Ile St-Denis is among the "suburbs" around French cities where immigrants, notably from former North African colonies, have been housed since the 1960s.
Blighted by bad schools and endemic unemployment, the suburbs are hard to escape.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4375910.stm
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Migrants were protesting outside Budapest train station yesterday after being prevented from boarding trains to Austria and Germany.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/0...0R13F620150901

Watch the video. Not many women and children visible are there?
For me that is an alarming video - should be a wake-up call to Europe.
Those "refugees" are sitting in a city that looks like a normal functioning society, yet they are screaming about being unable to travel further to their wish destinations.

They don`t appear hungry, just angry at not having their plans approved.

I see all this as a huge Tsunami overwhelming Europe - a "weaponless invasion" - a "war without weapons".

Watching the previous clips in thread of them being interviewed, saying they paid between 2000 - 8000 Euros for their trip to Europe, one Eritrean replied when asked why he left his country - "We have no houses, no jobs, no future there". So where/how do they raise their fare?

The non-Eritreans appear mostly Muslim (in photos women all appear to wear the traditional headwear), how come they do not flee to their own culture lands?

There`s more behind this "invasion" than meets the eye.

As to this thread title subject - one of the submitted videos shows the refugees refusing food parcels from the military in Hungary (I believe it was that country). Another shows cartons of orange juice being thrown into a rubbish bin. Hungry people? Not.
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Even a Muslim ghetto in Paris sounds like a better option than dying in the desert.
The people living in the Muslim ghettos in Paris don't seem very happy about it. They live in "communities" that hinder their integration/assimilation, experience racism, job discrimination, and really not much chance at the "better life" they see other people in France living. I'm sure in Germany it will be different however....
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Not getting the info from "FOX News", the Muslims who live there complain themselves about it. Are you saying they don't exist?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4375910.stm
I don't claim that "ghettos" don't exist. I just claim that there is nothing like a "Mulsim ghetto". Most of the suburbs (the famous "les banlieues") include a mix of sub-saharian, north-african and asian people with different religious backgrounds. it's more "social ghettos" (the poorer lower class) than a religious ghetto. An example is Sarcelles in Val-d-'Oise where 30% of inhabitants are jewish and 30% are muslim.

Another point, among the syrian refugees there are many christians. One country (Slovakia) agreed to accept 200 refugees maximum only and only if they are christian.
Don't make the problem monodimensional by reducing it to muslim issue.
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Why are most refugees young men? For women and children is it enough to get out of the direct war zone, but young Syrian men have to flee the country... Because they are running away from Assads army - they'd be given a gun and send to the front to fight IS. Even a Muslim ghetto in Paris sounds like a better option than dying in the desert.

Same for all the "but there is no war in Eritrea anymore, why can't they just go back?" Because the local regime invented a permanent national service - young men are basically slaves of the local general for their entire lives. And some find that idea not that great...

But now let's get back to the "they are just here to steal our jobs/money/..."
Africa is a huge continent with many countries living peacefully, and not as hazardous destinations to travel compared to a rickety boat over a sea.

But of course those countries will not provide free housing, or social help. Everyone there has to work or starve. Europeans are so much more sympathetic.
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Old 02.09.2015, 12:13
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For me that is an alarming video - should be a wake-up call to Europe.
Those "refugees" are sitting in a city that looks like a normal functioning society, yet they are screaming about being unable to travel further to their wish destinations.

They don`t appear hungry, just angry at not having their plans approved.

I see all this as a huge Tsunami overwhelming Europe - a "weaponless invasion" - a "war without weapons".

Watching the previous clips in thread of them being interviewed, saying they paid between 2000 - 8000 Euros for their trip to Europe, one Eritrean replied when asked why he left his country - "We have no houses, no jobs, no future there". So where/how do they raise their fare?

The non-Eritreans appear mostly Muslim (in photos women all appear to wear the traditional headwear), how come they do not flee to their own culture lands?

There`s more behind this "invasion" than meets the eye.

As to this thread title subject - one of the submitted videos shows the refugees refusing food parcels from the military in Hungary (I believe it was that country). Another shows cartons of orange juice being thrown into a rubbish bin. Hungry people? Not.
Where should I start.....a post full of fears, ignorance and fantasy.
Eritrean are in majority christian and about 40% are muslim. If you look at the old pictures of your mother, grand mother and even today in Italy you will see a lot of ladies with a scarf on the head. When you go in a church don't you put a scarf on your head?

By the way, you are African! Why did you come to Switzerland? Why didn't you go in one of those other african countries?!!! Or you just want to have apartheid?
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I'm sure in Germany it will be different however....
This is precisely what many Germans believe.

When you mention American exceptionalism to them they snigger and say only dumb Americans believe in something like that. But when you ask them why they are so sure Germany will succeed where other nations have failed they look at you as if you didn't know that Germany is so *different*.
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Preconception lead you to filtering and selective viewing of the video. Kids and women can be seen (00:12-00:15) or longer on (00:36-00:43).
Please bear in mind that BBC should follow child protection policy when reporting and showing footage including children. There are clear guidelines from UNICEF on not showing or identifying children in reports. Of course if you don't consider the "refugees" or "migrants" as human persons then you obviously don't care about that policy.
Preconception didn't lead to selective viewing. I had actually assumed there was a reasonable balance to the migrants entering the EU through Hungary as opposed to crossing the Med from Africa. But having watched the news last night I was actually shocked by just how many young blokes there were in Budapest.

Oh, and the old "you don't consider them human beings" bombshell. Nice that you dropped that in, far easier than reasoned argument isn't it?
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Where should I start.....a post full of fears, ignorance and fantasy.
Eritrean are in majority christian and about 40% are muslim. If you look at the old pictures of your mother, grand mother and even today in Italy you will see a lot of ladies with a scarf on the head. When you go in a church don't you put a scarf on your head?

By the way, you are African! Why did you come to Switzerland? Why didn't you go in one of those other african countries?!!! Or you just want to have apartheid?
I asked why do they choose the more hazardous route to Europe?
Eritreans are black people from Africa. Some are jewish, some christian, and some muslim.

Africa has their OAU (Organisation of African Unity, just as Europe as the EU (European Union). Why is Europe having to cope with Africa`s problem?

By the way, your post is ludicrously insane. There is an enormous difference to the manner in which "scarves" are used to cover the head - that should be obvious to the most simple minded. I used to also wear a scarf - to cover the curlers in my hair.

You ask why did I, an "African" come to Europe? Because I am a descendant of German/Swiss ancestry and have Swiss relatives living here, so I chose to retire to Switzerland, because I could financially afford to live here, without being financed by Swiss tax money. (not that that is any of your business, just thought I`d clear your confusion).

Do you not know? Apartheid - (a South African word) - was done away with in 1994 - 21 years ago, it no longer exists. Why do you use that word now, here?

Your post appears to reflect your own fears, ignorance and fantasy.
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70 years ago Europe was properly prepared for an influx of refugees. They had camps with showers and everything







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Maybe Mrs Merkel needs to accept that Europe is not an extended Germany and that there are still countries that don't jump to it just because she says they should.

I would have thought that after the Greek crisis she might have noticed that Germany <> Europe. But the message didn't get there somehow.

Without wishing to Godwinize, but maybe she should also read a history book and find out what happened the last time when Germans thought other nations couldn't run their own countries as well as the Germans could.

They really need to learn to suppress that Besserwisser reflex.

"We may have changed our opinion since then, but we're still right" is not really the right argument IMHO.



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If you have got good comfortable (training, trekking) shoes (not junk, broken, torn) they are also needed. We have seen many people only with flip flops.
Camping mattrasses, tents, sleeping bags that you don't use any more.
There are women and children - they stay away of the protests. They sit on the ground with 1 - 5 children around or in the lap.
Many stay in squares or at the coast of the Danube (near the immigration office) or other areas of Budapest.
We have also noticed that there are more men then women and children. It can be that it is easier for a man to do a 6000 km trip than for a woman or a mother with children. Just a thought.

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Preconception didn't lead to selective viewing. I had actually assumed there was a reasonable balance to the migrants entering the EU through Hungary as opposed to crossing the Med from Africa. But having watched the news last night I was actually shocked by just how many young blokes there were in Budapest.

Oh, and the old IF "you don't consider them human beings" bombshell. Nice that you dropped that in, far easier than reasoned argument isn't it?
Beyond understanding you seem to have issues with reading. You cleverly removed the "IF" in my sentence.....enough manipulation and get to the facts. There is nothing personal here.
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We have also noticed that there are more men then women and children. It can be that it is easier for a man to do a 6000 km trip than for a woman or a mother with children. Just a thought.
But that would imply said man is leaving wife and children behind in a place where they might get slaughtered any day. Not exactly the mettle of a hero, is he?
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For me that is an alarming video - should be a wake-up call to Europe.
Those "refugees" are sitting in a city that looks like a normal functioning society, yet they are screaming about being unable to travel further to their wish destinations.

They don`t appear hungry, just angry at not having their plans approved.

I see all this as a huge Tsunami overwhelming Europe - a "weaponless invasion" - a "war without weapons".

Watching the previous clips in thread of them being interviewed, saying they paid between 2000 - 8000 Euros for their trip to Europe, one Eritrean replied when asked why he left his country - "We have no houses, no jobs, no future there". So where/how do they raise their fare?

The non-Eritreans appear mostly Muslim (in photos women all appear to wear the traditional headwear), how come they do not flee to their own culture lands?

There`s more behind this "invasion" than meets the eye.

As to this thread title subject - one of the submitted videos shows the refugees refusing food parcels from the military in Hungary (I believe it was that country). Another shows cartons of orange juice being thrown into a rubbish bin. Hungry people? Not.

>> the traditional headwear will be gone as they, many of them Christians, arrive in their own culture lands
>> what was written on the Food parcels ?? "Pork" ?
>> Nobody in the Arab World throws Orange Juice into rubbish bins


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Is there anyone else who wants to give anything around Zurich? In that case I would set up a meeting point around Wollishofen (highway, parking, public transport ).
I would do it on Thursday - pm me if interested, please suggest a suitable place and time.

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In the tranzit zones shelves and whatnot similar to these could be used as well:







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>> the traditional headwear will be gone as they, many of them Christians, arrive in their own culture lands
>> what was written on the Food parcels ?? "Pork" ?
>> Nobody in the Arab World throws Orange Juice into rubbish bins


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back to the 1950ies. Mr Köhler JR based then in Münchenk, had a place at Zch UNI but only got lodgings in our place. In late evening Dad turned the Sofa into a bed and the bed in early morning was turned into a Sofa again, Free if Charge except that Mr Köhler (in conjunction with Ms Schwarz also on ground floor) took care of brother and me when Dad and Mum wanted to take part of something somewhere
The orange juice story? Maybe not in the "Arab world" but certainly once they have arrived safely where foods are free? Or is this a staged set-up demonstration to discredit refugees?

https://youtu.be/i26QUzl4AnI

Where are the fleeing Muslims "own culture" lands in Europe that they are heading to? Seems to me they are bypassing "own culture" lands to get to the ones with the best hand-outs? All middle eastern lands have been only transit in their journey.

I really do not understand why the refugees in the video were refusing the food parcels handed out by the military, they did not appear to even have looked inside. Maybe money is what they were wanting?
I mean, really, if Europeans were to be refugees in Arab countries would they be expecting non-Halal meat?

What has Mr Köhler Jr and where he slept in the 1950`s got to do with the subject under discussion?
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