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The orange juice story? Maybe not in the "Arab world" but certainly once they have arrived safely where foods are free? Or is this a staged set-up demonstration to discredit refugees?

https://youtu.be/i26QUzl4AnI

Where are the fleeing Muslims "own culture" lands in Europe that they are heading to? Seems to me they are bypassing "own culture" lands to get to the ones with the best hand-outs? All middle eastern lands have been only transit in their journey.
http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/country.php?id=224

It also gives the m/f ratio on this site.

2 Million Syrian Refugees in Turkey
1.2 Million Syrian Refugees in Lebanon
600k Syrian Refugees in Jordan
250k Syrian Refugees in Iraq
130k Syrian Refugees in Egypt

Do I need to go on? Small numbers reaching Europe compared to the "locally" displaced.
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Wow, looks like Germany is only making things worse for themselves, clearly the asylum seekers are favoring Germany for a reason....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...dapest-station
It's hardly refugees' fault if the prefer Germany and hardly Hungarians' fault.
You know very well that Hungary doesn't have the same possibilities and infrastructure for integrating immigrants/refugees etc.

OP was talking about private initiatives to help people while they are in Hu waiting to move to other places; if someone living in Ch is doing this it's clear the Hungarian state can't cope.
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2 Million Syrian Refugees in Turkey

Turkey is allowing fighters to get in and out, with equipment, and to export oil through its territory to finance ISIS; also looking the other side when people smugglers operate off its coast and fishers' villages and ferry people from ME and Afrika, amass them in said villages, and then put en masse on scraped ships or send the land route to Europe.

I'm considering donating to charities operating on the ground in the conflict zone as the help is very much more needed there and the same amount of money may buy more there.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Another way of fund raising has been sorted out yesterday. This provides fund for medication for the refugees.


"Migration Aid cannot accept money directly. However, if you would like to give money, you can donate to Mikszáth Pharmacy’s bank account (Egészségért Foundation). The pharmacy has been supporting our work with pharmaceuticals for a while now. Though refugees are entitled for free basic health care services, they need to pay for medicines, and first aid products.

When you donate, please send an e-mail to the adomany@migrationaid.net address with the amount you have given, so we can also keep track of the donations."

Beneficiary name: Mikszáth Gyógyszertár az Egészségért Alapítvány
Comment: Migration Aid
Bank account number: 10918001-00000067-39140008
Name of the bank: UniCredit Bank Hungary
Address of the bank: 1054 Budapest, Szabadság tér 5-6., Hungary
IBAN: HU69 1091 8001 0000 0067 3914 0008
SWIFT: BACXHUHB

http://www.migrationaid.net/english/
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Hi Soleil,

I wanted to drop by in your thread and tell you that my hat's off to you for what you're doing for the refugees.

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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

I am just a small element of this - hats off to all the donors here. Hat off to all the volunteers and donors in Hungary. Hats of to some people in Vienna who organized some baby packs from my favourite furniture shop to pick up on my way back

Thank you All!

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I wanted to drop by in your thread and tell you that my hat's off to you for what you're doing for the refugees.

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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

thank you. sent donation and posted on facebook. if NOT legit, please let us know
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Refugees refusing water from Hungarian police....sorry...it's just unbelievable.

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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

re: refusing water. refugees are in a fragile mental state. it is not inconceivable that they are afraid of being poisoned. after the terror they have gone through these ideas are common. in hurricane Katrina (where I evacuated from) a cruise ship was brought in for the survivors who stayed to live on. but due to past policies and behaviors they were convinced it was there to take them to the ocean and drown them and refused to get on board. not surprising since in the 1927 flood the black males were rounded up and forced to sit on the levee to block the water coming in. it takes a long time to get over the betrayal and sense of having to survive on your own after fleeing your home.
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re: refusing water. refugees are in a fragile mental state. it is not inconceivable that they are afraid of being poisoned. after the terror they have gone through these ideas are common. in hurricane Katrina (where I evacuated from) a cruise ship was brought in for the survivors who stayed to live on. but due to past policies and behaviors they were convinced it was there to take them to the ocean and drown them and refused to get on board. not surprising since in the 1927 flood the black males were rounded up and forced to sit on the levee to block the water coming in. it takes a long time to get over the betrayal and sense of having to survive on your own after fleeing your home.
Poisoned by water from factory sealed and packed, transparent plastic bottles? Could someone really think that? Hmm.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Blackmail and nothing else.
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Old 05.09.2015, 09:02
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Refugees refusing water from Hungarian police....sorry...it's just unbelievable.

Nothing unbelievable about it - they are well organised and have smartphones - they know that people here are a soft touch and will do anything they can to exploit that. I hear regularly from friends in Munich about all night parties in the camps with plenty of alcohol (despite what Allah might say) and plenty of waccy baccy too... apparently good fake Syrian passports have now risen to over 1000 EUR a pop.
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Nothing unbelievable about it - they are well organised and have smartphones - they know that people here are a soft touch and will do anything they can to exploit that. I hear regularly from friends in Munich about all night parties in the camps with plenty of alcohol (despite what Allah might say) and plenty of waccy baccy too... apparently good fake Syrian passports have now risen to over 1000 EUR a pop.
Most of them don't have any documents actually - neither original, nor fakes. Authorities will have to trust their word on that. I read that because they refused to be registered (as it would be normal in a refugee process) by Hungarians, the Austrians decided to let them come without border controls.
That makes a mockery of the whole refugee/asylum process and it will raise serious questions about the whole story, and suspicions even for the reals refugee cases.
It's a sad, sad mess.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

They come without original documents because it makes it harder for them to be deported or for the authorities to ascertain they dont come from a warzone. Do a search on the Harragas of Algeria - they burn their documents before they get on the boats.

The whole thing is one large scam. I do feel sorry for the genuine people in trouble but if the father of the dead boy was 3 years safe in Turkey then sorry that is not a refugee.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

A few points:

1) Hungary's PM Orban is an extreme nationalists who lit the fire and now tries to "extinguish" the fire. He and most of hungarians don't want to see refugees in their country. Even their own people...the gypsies are treated like animals and 2nd class citizen in ghettos. So which refugee would like to stay in Hungary with such a high level of xenophobia and no trust in the democratic spirit of Orban? Slovenia and Slovakia accept only chrisitian refugees. So that's very clear about those countries: don't stay there if you are a muslim refugee.

2) Refugees refusing water from hungarian police (video sequence): those refugees were put in a train and told that they would go to the austrian border. They discovered later that they were tricked by hungarian authorities and brought to a camp in the middle of nowhere. Would you still trust hungarian authorities after that? That's why thes refused food and water because it's their only leverage to force authorities to let them go to Austria. They are already dead in ther minds so they have nothing to lose. No one wants to stay in Hungary and the well known "hospitality" of the nationalist government (see previous point).

3) the "not halal food" fantasy. A lot here are parroting what they read on extreme fascist sites showing refugees refusing food "because it's not halal". It has been proven that it was not the case. The video footage was taken in Macedonia and published on liveleaks.com. It was then relayed through extreme-right media sites and even Geert Wilders tweeted with false explanation to manipulate opinions. The journalist who shot the video gave the right explanation. The food brought (see list on page 5 of the document) contained fish, biscuits, tea, juice, etc... is halal compliant. They refused it because they wanted to leave the country to go to Austria and Germany. Like in point 2 above, it's the only leverage they have.

The conclusion is that many here relay information without understanding it and add their own layer of preconception if not xenophobia. If you have some intellectual honesty do take the courage to verify and understand.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

Intellectual honesty ???

Look at what Sweden did - opened their borders wide open. They have gone from hippies to having a fascist party leading in the polls. You think it won´t happen here ??? Look at what happened to rape rates in Malmo and tell me people don't have a right to be concerned.

Most people couldn't care less about the religion of these people - I doubt even the Czechs and the Hungarians do (by the way there´s over 30,000 Muslims already living peacefully in Hungary thank you very much) - they rather wisely care about the ability to integrate large numbers of people.
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Re: Donations for Syrian refugees in Budapest

If one country has to deal with a crisis that it didn't create, I would say they have all the rights to be rather prudent, no matter what some people might think.
Everybody has preconceptions (only re. to different things or people, of course) but we are talking here about respecting Schengen agreement and refugee status not people's biases.
Hungary was accused that they didn't do anything for the refugees; I personally would say it's not true. It is perfectly legal to want to register them, it's not like they're taking them to gas chambers. Ridiculous.

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Intellectual honesty ???

Look at what Sweden did - opened their borders wide open. They have gone from hippies to having a fascist party leading in the polls. You think it won´t happen here ??? Look at what happened to rape rates in Malmo and tell me people don't have a right to be concerned.

Most people couldn't care less about the religion of these people - I doubt even the Czechs and the Hungarians do (by the way there´s over 30,000 Muslims already living peacefully in Hungary thank you very much) - they rather wisely care about the ability to integrate large numbers of people.
- the rape argument: so you clearly say that refugees = rapers. if you look at Swedish crime statistics and explanation by real experts (not xenophobic websites) you will see that Sweden has been for at least the last 15years a country with the highest rape rate. This is due to several factors: the wider definition of "rape" than in other countries, and the over-reporting by police (the offense category is entered in the database before any investigation). This was already the case BEFORE the refugees came in the last few weeks/months. Google reports on this topic...there are hundreds of them so just take the courage to read and understand them without bias.

- so you also claim that Hungary has no problems with foreigners or refugees right and that they care about integration? You obviously did not hear Orban's speech in Brussels where he clearly stated that his problem is with Muslims and not refugees. That he is here to defend the christian identity of Europe. The level of racism in Budapest is worrying.

- the 30'000 refugees you mention are in majority Kosovars not Syrians.

Mr Orban suspended the Dublin agreement in June to defend the national identity. It's up to Europe with all the agreements between states to decide whether this is acceptable or not.
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Poisoned by water from factory sealed and packed, transparent plastic bottles? Could someone really think that? Hmm.
Tell that to any airport security in the world
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Tell that to any airport security in the world
I see your point but thinking that police wants to poison you...I don't know. It's crazy.

Viktor Orban is one nasty piece I admit (well I don't know what his compatriots think tbh, in fact as far as I know he's quite popular for some economic measures he adopted), but not even him would go that far.



As for nationalism? Nationalism is rampant all over Western Europe....see France, UK, Holland, Austria etc. Let's be honest.
Everyone talks about protecting their identity, their people etc etc etc

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