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I think the bottom line is some guards shot at dangerously behaving car, incidentally it was a Syrian woman who got shot.
You can't expect the guards to check the nationality of the person before shooting. And if guards have guns, they have them for a reason.

This only underlines the stupidity of the Germany for saying guards shouldn't use their guns against migrants (and therefore, by logical extrapolation, that the guns are only for shooting at their own people).
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You can't expect the guards to check the nationality of the person before shooting. And if guards have guns, they have them for a reason.

This only underlines the stupidity of the Germany for saying guards shouldn't use their guns against migrants (and therefore, by logical extrapolation, that the guns are only for shooting at their own people).
Me? absolutely, the car driver knew that trying to run into armed guards would end up like that. They took their responsibilities and should assume them. Even shame that the driver was not also shot!

I was just saying that it was incidentally a Syrian woman (not saying "migrant" on purpose). There's a difference between "shooting a migrant" and "shooting a dangerously behavior car". The way you phrase it, opened the possibility that she was shot on purpose, somehow!
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Old 14.09.2016, 16:47
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Re: Migrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers or Other terms?

Angela Merkel to challenge bosses over failure to employ refugees

"The biggest recruiter is Deutsche Post DHL, which employs just over 100." Out of 1.5 million. And there we were thinking many were highly educated professionals.
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Old 14.09.2016, 16:59
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Angela Merkel to challenge bosses over failure to employ refugees

"The biggest recruiter is Deutsche Post DHL, which employs just over 100." Out of 1.5 million. And there we were thinking many were highly educated professionals.
This criticism is totall unfair.

How many brain surgeons and nuclear scientists do you expect the post office to employ?

I think finding jobs for a 100 is already a commendable achievement.
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Old 14.09.2016, 17:09
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This criticism is totall unfair.

How many brain surgeons and nuclear scientists do you expect the post office to employ?

I think finding jobs for a 100 is already a commendable achievement.
Just imagine that this line was being peddled all over the place last year. Respectable newspapers, broadcasters etc. "This is Europe's opportunity!". Half of them are illiterate. Utterly bonkers.

Syria’s refugees are a golden opportunity for Europe
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Rt news reporting approx 7000 illegal refugees are suing the German government for slow processing of asylum claims.
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Old 15.09.2016, 21:17
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Rt news reporting approx 7000 illegal refugees are suing the German government for slow processing of asylum claims.
You just have to imagine the human rights lawyer that took up this case.

Meanwhile it kicked off big style in Bautzen last night. Early reports in Germany said neo-nazis had targeted migrants. Later reports say pissed up migrants targeted locals.
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Old 15.09.2016, 21:24
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You just have to imagine the human rights lawyer that took up this case.
I suspect the same lawyers who advocate for the refugees to come into the country in the first place. Instant clientele. Nice business niche, except who is paying for the fees?
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Old 15.09.2016, 22:46
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Looks like Germany is getting it's wish and turning into France or Sweden.

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According to eyewitnesses the clashes began earlier in the evening when police tried to move on a group of teenage asylum-seekers from the square.

Residents at a government shelter for young refugees in the town have reportedly been causing trouble in the square for some weeks, behaving drunkenly and throwing bottles.

The teenage migrants refused to move on and some were violent towards the police, Andrea Kubank, a local resident, told Tagesspiegel newspaper. A group of far-Right protesters quickly gathered at the scene.

The asylum-seekers attacked police with bottles and wooden boards, according to an official police statement. Officers were forced to use pepper spray.

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An 18-year-old Moroccan asylum-seeker suffered cuts on his arms, but an ambulance was prevented from reaching the shelter by far-Right protesters. Paramedics had to be escorted to the building under police protection.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...d-far-right-p/

Why is Germany even keeping Moroccans in asylum shelters? Is there a war in Morocco? These kids are getting a free ride in Germany, and German authorities seem to be OK with that.
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Looks like Germany is getting it's wish and turning into France or Sweden.





http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...d-far-right-p/

Why is Germany even keeping Moroccans in asylum shelters? Is there a war in Morocco? These kids are getting a free ride in Germany, and German authorities seem to be OK with that.
Of course and anyone who lifts a finger to complain about it is labelled a neo-nazi...
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Re: Migrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers or Other terms?

Hard to see so many of them begging on street in Lausanne. They are growing in number day by day. Hope they get settled and integrate well soon.
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Old 16.09.2016, 10:00
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Why is Germany even keeping Moroccans in asylum shelters? Is there a war in Morocco? These kids are getting a free ride in Germany, and German authorities seem to be OK with that.
The problem is that the Maghreb countries won't take back failed asylum seekers from Germany. Which is an issue, as no Maghreb citizen has a case for asylum. Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, they all say nothing to do with us. So the migrants know that once they're in Germany they're likely there for good. And with the door hanging off it's hinges, there's no problem in getting in. Utter disaster.
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Old 16.09.2016, 13:30
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The problem is that the Maghreb countries won't take back failed asylum seekers from Germany. Which is an issue, as no Maghreb citizen has a case for asylum. Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, they all say nothing to do with us. So the migrants know that once they're in Germany they're likely there for good. And with the door hanging off it's hinges, there's no problem in getting in. Utter disaster.
But those countries are all beneficiaries of EU tourism as well as aid packages - which should all be used together with the threat of sanctions to force their governments to behave responsibly.
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Old 16.09.2016, 15:48
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As the flow of asylum seekers entering Germany started to break historic records last fall, Continental AG rushed to tap some of the newcomers for its workforce. But one year after the tire maker began advertising an internship program designed for 50 migrant workers, only 30 of the positions have been filled as it struggles to find suitable candidates or vet their qualifications.

Deutsche Post AG offered internships for 1,000 refugees last year but has so far filled only 235 positions.

Deutsche Lufthansa AG, the airline, said it had yet to hire any refugees, citing security reasons.

The government isn’t faring much better: Federal agencies have hired five refugees as employees and 12 as trainees since the beginning of last year

Most migrants lack the skills a sophisticated economy demands. German employers are mainly interested in skilled staff: Only 19% of all vacancies are for workers without adequate professional experience and education. Some 65% require midlevel qualification and 16% a university degree.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/germanys...ter-1473948135

It's pretty obvious now, all the pro-migrant people were blowing smoke last year when they were talking about the great "influx of workers for the German economy"
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It's pretty obvious now, all the pro-migrant people were blowing smoke last year when they were talking about the great "influx of workers for the German economy"

The thing is, it was all so easy to foresee if one simply took the time to consider its impact on one's society. I really can't imagine they can be so dull. I think they must have had some idea and simply didn't really care enough to conduct a few minutes of due diligence.
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Re: Migrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers or Other terms?

It was easy.... but she didnt give a shit... from today's telegraph :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-brutally-ho1/

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She will have had an uncomfortable time today, as the other 26 leaders in the room sees her open-door migration policy as the absolute main cause of the European Union's recent woes.
And what's more they make little secret of this fact. As a senior EU official told a gaggle of international journalists a moment ago here in Bratislava that “There is agreement that the thing that has helped most to undermine trust in the EU is uncontrolled migration, and that that must be the main thing to be addressed in the coming months."
To translation from the diplospeak: "we can't agree on much, but we can agree that Angela Merkel stuffed up spectacularly on migration, and we're all paying for it"..


The fact that she went on a complete solo run last August without consulting either the German parliament , the German people or the European people is what is most shocking to me - it's a direct parallel with Mr. Hitler in terms of totalitarianism.

Why they're not all clamouring for her head is beyond me...
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Old 16.09.2016, 18:14
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It was easy.... but she didnt give a shit... from today's telegraph :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-brutally-ho1/



The fact that she went on a complete solo run last August without consulting either the German parliament , the German people or the European people is what is most shocking to me - it's a direct parallel with Mr. Hitler in terms of totalitarianism.

Why they're not all clamouring for her head is beyond me...
One incompetent leader doesn't like to expose another as it may backfire.

Same reason incompetent managers can survive at the top of big corporations.

Thus they will go on patting one another on the back and saying they've done everything right until it all blows up in their faces.
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Re: Migrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers or Other terms?

The language the EU uses is funny. At the EU summit in Bratislava, they called for "an honest look", which admits they were dishonest before? Their outcome is to stop levelling at Brussels , instead of looking clearly at the problem?

I see no indication they will ever figure this out themselves.
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The fact that she went on a complete solo run last August without consulting either the German parliament , the German people or the European people is what is most shocking to me - it's a direct parallel with Mr. Hitler in terms of totalitarianism.

Why they're not all clamouring for her head is beyond me...
I remember when Putin took Crimea in 2014, Merkel famously said that Putin had "lost the script" and was out of touch with reality, now I think Merkel has lost the script herself. She rose up by being level-headed and practical, traits all Germans respect. But then suddenly snapped last year and threw alot of her hard earned political capital out the window when she threw the doors open to everyone who wanted to come in.

I keep wondering if this interview where she told Palestinan refugees that they had to leave and made them cry had an impact on her? Maybe after that she stopped the pragmatic approach and let her emotions take over in shaping her refugee policies?
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I remember when Putin took Crimea in 2014, Merkel famously said that Putin had "lost the script" and was out of touch with reality, now I think Merkel has lost the script herself. She rose up by being level-headed and practical, traits all Germans respect. But then suddenly snapped last year and threw alot of her hard earned political capital out the window when she threw the doors open to everyone who wanted to come in.

I keep wondering if this interview where she told Palestinan refugees that they had to leave and made them cry had an impact on her? Maybe after that she stopped the pragmatic approach and let her emotions take over in shaping her refugee policies?
Although Merkel likes to talk about courageous decisions, I think at best she is being courageous in the sense Sir Humohrey means when talking to Timothy Hackett. She always takes the route of least resistance and bows with wind. While others such as Viktor Orban or Lech Walensa were opposing Communism and fighting tooth and nail , dear Angela was marching with the FDJ, singing Die Partei hat immer Recht and swearing eternal allegiance to Marxism. When it ceased to be beneficial to ones career to be a communist, she pragmatically became a conservative and set herself up as Helmit Kohl's successor. When industry made it clear that experiments with getting rid of cheap and reliable nuclear power were a threat to the economy, she said she would oppose that. When public opposition turned out to be stronger than industrial lobbying, she flip flopped yet again.

So I can see how public outrage, however much staged and manipulated, over the picture of a dead boy once again switched off the logic region of her brain and told her to follow the crowd and unleash the stampede. But why, when public opinion fell back onto its feet, did she not make another of her u turns? Why did the events of cologne not do to her immigration mindset what the tsunami in Fukushima (which could never have happened in Germany) did to her nuclear policy? Is she being shielded by dishonest advisers? Or has she developed a messianic mindset in which everybody else is her enemy and in which she would rather go down gun in hand than concede her own errors? Or is she maybe concerned about rupturing her cozy alliance with the SPD and causing a government crisis?
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