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Old 10.10.2016, 19:51
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"in the wave of unchecked migrants" According to the link you posted "Bakr is reported to have arrived in Germany via Austria as a refugee in February 2015. He was registered by police in Rosenheim, Bavaria, his fingerprints were taken and his details were compared with those in the international register of terrorist suspects.

What is your understanding of the word "unchecked"
And after all that they still managed to lose him.
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Old 10.10.2016, 21:51
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You forgot to mention the positive point in the same link; Police were alerted to the whereabouts of Bakr by two other Syrian refugees.
Good. Too bad no other Muslims ratted on the France bombers, or Belgium, or...

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The 20min article also says the vanished "asylum seekers" have most likely moved on to Northern Europe
Maybe. Or maybe they are still here in CH and breaking into some apartments for money. Or building a bomb somewhere. Who knows for sure. They were just welcomed to Swtzerland, given food, shelter, etc. and instead of being thankful and respecting the rules, they just broke them by disappearing. So obviously not very law-abiding people, eh?

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"in the wave of unchecked migrants" According to the link you posted "Bakr is reported to have arrived in Germany via Austria as a refugee in February 2015. He was registered by police in Rosenheim, Bavaria, his fingerprints were taken and his details were compared with those in the international register of terrorist suspects.

What is your understanding of the word "unchecked"
Ok, you got their fingerprints, then what? You can't really ask their home country to check their criminal records. Most of these people are coming from countries where the governments barely function. Or trashed their documents and won't say what country they are coming from. How do you know if the guy requesting asylum was flying an IS flag and chopping off heads last week? Or is a child rapist? Or petty criminal? You really have no way of finding out.
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Old 10.10.2016, 22:00
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Good. Too bad no other Muslims ratted on the France bombers, or Belgium, or...


Maybe. Or maybe breaking into some apartments for money. Or building a bomb somewhere. Who knows for sure...


Ok, you got their fingerprints, then what? You can't really ask their home country to check their criminal records. Most of these people are coming from countries where the governments barely function. Or trashed their documents and won't say what country they are coming from. How do you know if the guy requesting asylum was flying an IS flag and chopping off heads last week? Or is a child rapist? Or petty criminal? You really have no way of finding out.
"Too bad no other Muslims ratted on the France bombers, or Belgium, or... " but they did

"How do you know if the guy requesting asylum was flying an IS flag...." Considering there were over 1 million migrants last year there have been practically none resulting terrorist incidents.
If you are a woman of child bearing age then you have a much higher chance of dying in child birth in W. Europe than in a terrorist incident.
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Old 11.10.2016, 09:15
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Switzerland says 60% of all "asylum seekers" who entered Switzerland this summer have vanished, and this poses an acute threat to the country as these people may be terrorists, criminals, etc.
http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/story/22139234

In somewhat related news, German authorities have caught a Syrian Asylum seeker who entered the country last summer in the wave of unchecked migrants, and had managed to stockpile powerful explosives in his government-rented apartment in Germany and was believed to be plotting an imminent terrorist attack in Germany.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-bomb-attack
«Wer als Asylsuchender über die Grenze kommt, muss sofort registriert werden», erklärt Stamm. Falls das nicht möglich sei, sollten die Personen «so lange festgehalten und am Untertauchen gehindert werden, bis die nötigen Abklärungen und die Registrierung erfolgt sind».

So he wants the foreigners immediately registered, or imprisoned if not possible. Most obviously, as a result either the number of requests and/or the number of prisoners will rise, which is continuously used for their smear campaings.

That bloody hypocrit is just making sure there's still "ammo" around for the next SVP anti-foreigners campaign. Practice shows that in reality, the migrants will disappear as soon as the next opportunity arises. As a consequence almost all would have to be imprisoned, increasing the share of imprisoned foreigners even further.
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Old 11.10.2016, 16:17
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One would presume the other 60% to vote likewise.

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Opinion polls actually suggested that support for the constutional change was above 70 percent.

Many supporters stayed away from the polls as they felt Orban was turning the issue into a vote about himself. He is facing a lot of flak lately over revelations that senior members of his party were involved in corruption.

The opponents of course also urged people to boycott the vote. Hence virtually all those who did vote were supporters, but he failed to mobilize that critical percentage of his supporters.

http://hungarytoday.hu/news/survey-o...ferendum-93257
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Old 11.10.2016, 17:49
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Opinion polls actually suggested that support for the constutional change was above 70 percent.

Many supporters stayed away from the polls as they felt Orban was turning the issue into a vote about himself. He is facing a lot of flak lately over revelations that senior members of his party were involved in corruption.

The opponents of course also urged people to boycott the vote. Hence virtually all those who did vote were supporters, but he failed to mobilize that critical percentage of his supporters.

http://hungarytoday.hu/news/survey-o...ferendum-93257
Another rubbish election poll, these polls seem to be ever more inaccurate regardless of which country is the topic.
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Old 13.10.2016, 00:46
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"in the wave of unchecked migrants" According to the link you posted "Bakr is reported to have arrived in Germany via Austria as a refugee in February 2015. He was registered by police in Rosenheim, Bavaria, his fingerprints were taken and his details were compared with those in the international register of terrorist suspects.

What is your understanding of the word "unchecked"
Seems Bakr has now committed suicide in his cell; this opens up so many alternative scenarios that anybody with a tin foil hat can replicate!
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Old 18.10.2016, 17:19
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«Wer als Asylsuchender über die Grenze kommt, muss sofort registriert werden», erklärt Stamm. Falls das nicht möglich sei, sollten die Personen «so lange festgehalten und am Untertauchen gehindert werden, bis die nötigen Abklärungen und die Registrierung erfolgt sind».

So he wants the foreigners immediately registered, or imprisoned if not possible. Most obviously, as a result either the number of requests and/or the number of prisoners will rise, which is continuously used for their smear campaings.

That bloody hypocrit is just making sure there's still "ammo" around for the next SVP anti-foreigners campaign. Practice shows that in reality, the migrants will disappear as soon as the next opportunity arises. As a consequence almost all would have to be imprisoned, increasing the share of imprisoned foreigners even further.
According to the Swiss Govt. the number of asylum seekers in the last quarter was over 40% down versus the same quarter last year.
No doubt the SVP will still promote the existence of asylum seekers as a "big issue".
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According to the Swiss Govt. the number of asylum seekers in the last quarter was over 40% down versus the same quarter last year.

No doubt the SVP will still promote the existence of asylum seekers as a "big issue".
So on a bank holiday we came by train to Yverdon-les-bains early in the morning and there was a couple of dozens of Africans, and nobody else, at the train station. They boarded a train towards Neuchâtel. Later I've learned they basically run a drug market and retail there, and local population is less and less happy about the business opportunity they have there :-) Local police is completely overwhelmed.
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Old 18.10.2016, 20:58
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Re: Migrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers or Other terms?

There was an asylum seeker himself on this forum not so long ago who - despite the bleatings of the politically correct confirmed that a lot of the Africans hanging around a particular train station were in fact drug dealers... forget which one .... but it was both insightful and sincere.
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So on a bank holiday we came by train to Yverdon-les-bains early in the morning and there was a couple of dozens of Africans, and nobody else, at the train station. They boarded a train towards Neuchâtel. Later I've learned they basically run a drug market and retail there, and local population is less and less happy about the business opportunity they have there :-) Local police is completely overwhelmed.
Best solution to tackle this specific problem once and for all would be to abolish drug prohibition. How many more decades will it take until the last ones realize it's not working?
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Re: Migrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers or Other terms?

Regarding the whole 'child refugees' fiasco going on in UK, I think we should all take a step back and remember that these are all just helpless children.

For example here is a 'sixteen year old from Ethiopia'
http://guardian.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx
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Lidl's hauliers implicated in migrant smuggling.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-38329439
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Re: Migrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers or Other terms?

More cultural enrichment coming to a neighborhood near you:
The juvenile delinquents who set on fire a homeless man the other day in Berlin all entered Germany as refugees.

https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/arti...betroffen.html

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More cultural enrichment coming to a neighborhood near you:
The juvenile delinquents who set on fire a homeless man the other day in Berlin all entered Germany as refugees.

https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/arti...betroffen.html
Surprised that this even made it to the BBC this morning - naturally enough as a small news item - but still - better than the rape and murder of that diplomat's daughter recently...

and on Christmas eve too... peace and goodwill to all huh ??? Merkel's legacy indeed.
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Old 28.12.2016, 09:11
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More cultural enrichment coming to a neighborhood near you:
The juvenile delinquents who set on fire a homeless man the other day in Berlin all entered Germany as refugees.

https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/arti...betroffen.html
This has nothing to do with the migrant crisis and is a regular thing in Germany. In fact it might just have easily been carried out by a gang of Germans and then it would NEVER have made the news. I don't know what the fuss is all about to be honest.
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Probably they have mental problems as a result of not being treated well enough by the Germans.
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Record numbers of migrants leaving Germany.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38449841
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Probably they have mental problems as a result of not being treated well enough by the Germans.
It's not that..it's a failure on the part of the EU. By all means, if I were to come from a war-torn country all by myself, without guidance, love, perspective or anything remotely conducive to growth or mental stability, I'd probably light people on fire as well. These kids belong to a home, where they get the necessary help, support and counseling in order to be a participating member of society...unfortunately, that is not common practice in the EU.
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It's not that..it's a failure on the part of the EU. By all means, if I were to come from a war-torn country all by myself, without guidance, love, perspective or anything remotely conducive to growth or mental stability, I'd probably light people on fire as well. These kids belong to a home, where they get the necessary help, support and counseling in order to be a participating member of society...unfortunately, that is not common practice in the EU.
Asyl Organisation Zürich has that (but we're not EU, are we ) They do a very good job.
Problem: More MNA's (Mineurs non accompagnés) than places.
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