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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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I think all European governments should follow Germany's wonderful lead and be truly helpful.
Migrants don't want to go to all European countries. Just Sweden, Germany and UK, in that order.
We could send some rusty ships to Turkey and Libya and rescue people from these murderous traffickers.
Why? It would enourage more.
We could stop making snide remarks about Germany needing workers.
It's true though. They do. This is a fact.
We could stop trying to keep the refugees out, as Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary and now surprisingly Denmark are doing.
They're not trying to keep refugees out. They're trying to register them as is their obligation according to the Dublin agreement.
We could begin by helping these desperately poor people, and once they are registered, we could send the economic migrants back to Nigeria, Pakistan etc.
The overburdened system means that processing the migrants takes an age. They know it could be the best part of a decade before the authorities catch up with them and send them home. A risk worth taking.
What happened to humanity? Did we learn nothing from the wars in Europe?
This has nothing to do with humanity. Inviting the world to live in Europe does not solve any problems. It just makes them worse.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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The fundamental question is always, will they be a burden on the system? In the case of Syrians, they are a largely well educated and hard working nation of people coming from the cradle of civilisation itself. The stats from the US speak for themself, there are 150,000 Americans of Syrian descent with a median household income of over $65,000, compared to about $53,000 for native-born Americans.

With strong emphasis on education and hard work I think Merkel made a pretty calculated decision.
That is not surprising, given the fact that immigration to America is heavily restricted.
But let's be honest - not all Syrians are well educated and hard working, as not all - insert any other nationality - are (not) all well educated or/and (not) hard working. I'm sure Germany has all the interests to get hold of those ones, since they decided to come over anyway, and "fairly" redistribute the others.
Seriously, generalisations like this are not an argument, it's very naive if not manipulative what you've written, with all due respect. Asylum/refugees status should be granted considering each case, regardless of nationality.
And Germany always accepted people from all over the world based on working visas, when they needed. I'm not sure they even have jobs or proper jobs for all of them, as I'm not sure whether they'll need some sort of training anyway, at least language training, diplomas recognition exams etc
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

EU should demand the US to take a proportionate amount of refugees...only natural since the US is largely culpable
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

https://www.rt.com/news/314788-hunga...is-terrorists/



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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!


Germany refugee riot over torn Koran leaves 17 hurt


An argument over a Koran that erupted at a shelter in central Germany has led to violence in which 11 refugees and six police were injured.
Twenty people tried to lynch an Afghan man of 25 after he tore pages from the Koran and threw them in a toilet, according to reports in the town of Suhl.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33999801
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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EU should demand the US to take a proportionate amount of refugees...only natural since the US is largely culpable
And should the EU stomp their feet and scream until the US does what they ask?
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!


Germany refugee riot over torn Koran leaves 17 hurt


An argument over a Koran that erupted at a shelter in central Germany has led to violence in which 11 refugees and six police were injured.
Twenty people tried to lynch an Afghan man of 25 after he tore pages from the Koran and threw them in a toilet, according to reports in the town of Suhl.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33999801
People in shelters, refugees are under extreme stress. Their days are filled with fear, hunger, and violence. Due to prolonged trauma, one should not be surprised that some of them may become mentally unstable (i.e. in need of a treatment)

The fact that you find that funny is, in a lack of better word, unusual. Yes, there is much better word, but I'll let you guess it.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!
I think you should take a break from this topic Loz, its starting to get to you.
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People in shelters, refugees are under extreme stress. Their days are filled with fear, hunger, and violence. Due to prolonged trauma, one should not be surprised that some of them may become mentally unstable (i.e. in need of a treatment)

The fact that you find that funny is, in a lack of better word, unusual. Yes, there is much better word, but I'll let you guess it.
Sorry, this is bullshit. They lynch people in their own countries for not believing in sky fairies. And they tried to do the same in Germany.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

Indoctrination can happen to anyone Loz, hopefully their kids will grow up in a country where they are free to think and do as they please, and escape the brainwashing cycle of religion.
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Indoctrination can happen to anyone Loz, hopefully their kids will grow up in a country where they are free to think and do as they please, and escape the brainwashing cycle of religion.
How can you avoid it ? the Charlie Hebdo, Paris-Amsterdam, London Tube etc. murderers were born in Europe.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

You can't avoid it, you have to accept it as part and parcel of living in a free, enlightened society.

The fact is, in every Western country, more people die from insect bites and stings than terrorism, but there probably isn't the appetite for a war against termites.
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You can't avoid it, you have to accept it as part and parcel of living in a free, enlightened society.

The fact is, in every Western country, more people die from insect bites and stings than terrorism, but there probably isn't the appetite for a war against termites.
Not sure...even as a pacifist I'm ready to wage war over mosquitoes
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Sorry, this is bullshit. They lynch people in their own countries for not believing in sky fairies. And they tried to do the same in Germany.
It was a riot, there is no point trying to intellectualise the root cause. It could just as easily have kicked off over a sandwich or someone insulting someone else's wife. How many football or prison riots started over nothing and end up in multiple deaths. There was a prison riot in Brazil which ended in several inmates being beheaded in the chaos.
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People in shelters, refugees are under extreme stress. Their days are filled with fear, hunger, and violence. Due to prolonged trauma, one should not be surprised that some of them may become mentally unstable (i.e. in need of a treatment)
if there is one lesson that life has taught me, it is that there is no more dangerous a slippery slope than rationalizing the inhuman behavior of others.

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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

The US will take more Syrian refugees:

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President Obama will accept at least 10,000 refugees from Syria in the next fiscal year, a six-fold increase over the number admitted this year, a White House spokesman said Thursday.
Russia says "no" to refugees:

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About the theme of hosting refugees Peskov said that Russia was helping the Syrian government "in a different way."
"In a different way" might mean sending Russian soldiers to prop up Assad and drag the war out longer?

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"We never made a secret out of our military-technical cooperation with Syria. We have long supplied arms and military equipment to Syria. We are doing it in compliance with existing contracts and in full compliance with international law," she said.


According to the spokeswoman, there are Russian military specialists in Syria.


"I can confirm and reiterate that there are Russian military specialists in Syria who help to use arriving equipment," she said.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

Hadn't others supported the uprisings in Libya and Syria, then there wouldn't be any war.
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The fundamental question is always, will they be a burden on the system? In the case of Syrians, they are a largely well educated and hard working nation of people coming from the cradle of civilisation itself. The stats from the US speak for themself, there are 150,000 Americans of Syrian descent with a median household income of over $65,000, compared to about $53,000 for native-born Americans.

With strong emphasis on education and hard work I think Merkel made a pretty calculated decision.
This is confirmed by Pascal Brice head of "French Office for the Protection of Refugees and Stateless People". He is now in Munich to convince 1000 refugees to go to France. He mentioned that most are Iraqis and Syrians fleeing zones controlled by ISIS. He also mentioned the high ratio of educated people (engineers; lawyers; pharmacist; etc..) who want to see their diploma recognized so that they can work because they don't want to be a burden for french or german state.

A recent poll by German broadcaster ARD-Infratest shows that 61% of Germans don't see refugees as a threat and 81% say that refugees did not change their daily life. There is a difference between former BRD (36% see refugees as threat) and DDR (43% see refugees as threat) citizens. Interesting to see the same reaction towards refugees coming from former communist/eastern bloc. What could be the explanation?
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The stats from the US speak for themself, there are 150,000 Americans of Syrian descent with a median household income of over $65,000, compared to about $53,000 for native-born Americans.
quoting statistics like this in the context of the debate regarding the current migrant situation is misleading and bordering on disingenuous - the overwhelming majority of Americans of Syrian descent are Christian, and have now been in the US for several generations having fled persecution from Muslims during the first half of the 20th century. it is actually one of the great success stories of American immigration, and the first and second generations made massive sacrifices so that Syrian Americans today can be doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers and business owners.

btw, there was no free apartment, free food or social net for those first and second generations, other than the extent to which others already on the ground in the US built an environment that encouraged and facilitated onboarding and integration.
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btw, there was no free apartment, free food or social net for those first and second generations, other than the extent to which others already on the ground in the US built an environment that encouraged and facilitated onboarding and integration.
The idea is that they won't need these 'generous' handouts once they're able to get on their feet and start earning. And my point about the Syrians, unlike perhaps those from sub-Saharan Africa is that many are already equipped with the skills to do that.
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