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Old 01.11.2015, 14:00
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

A major problem with deporting unwanted asylum seekers is that the country of origin, often refuses to accept them, due to their serious criminal convictions. The Swiss government in the past used to fly 8 unsuccessful migrants with 16 security guards to African countries, only to have the African country refuse them, and then flying them back here again. This was costing Switzerland thousands of Francs, and apart from pushing them off the plane, I don't see a solution.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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A major problem with deporting unwanted asylum seekers is that the country of origin, often refuses to accept them, due to their serious criminal convictions. The Swiss government in the past used to fly 8 unsuccessful migrants with 16 security guards to African countries, only to have the African country refuse them, and then flying them back here again. This was costing Switzerland thousands of Francs, and apart from pushing them off the plane, I don't see a solution.
How on earth can a country refuse that? OK, you are a convicted criminal now f#ck off. Isn't it illegal, aren't they breaching some international laws?
Just to avoid any misunderstanding - I am referring to the countries that refuse to take back their citizens....

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Old 01.11.2015, 14:56
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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How on earth can a country refuse that? OK, you are a convicted criminal now f#ck off. Isn't it illegal, aren't they breaching some international laws?
Just to avoid any misunderstanding - I am referring to the countries that refuse to take back their citizens....
Countries are free to stop anybody at the border and refuse to allow them in.

It is called "sovereignty"!

Pushing them off the plane does not work; the country simply refuses to allow the plane to take off again. Commercial airlines dare not take this risk.

Unless you mean the Argentinian method of pushing them off the plane while they are still some thousands of metres in the air.
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Old 01.11.2015, 18:00
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Old 01.11.2015, 18:31
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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Countries are free to stop anybody at the border and refuse to allow them in.
Not true - most countries cannot refuse entry to their own citzens.
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Old 01.11.2015, 19:25
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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Countries are free to stop anybody at the border and refuse to allow them in.

It is called "sovereignty"!

Pushing them off the plane does not work; the country simply refuses to allow the plane to take off again. Commercial airlines dare not take this risk.

Unless you mean the Argentinian method of pushing them off the plane while they are still some thousands of metres in the air.
Own citizens? I am sure that is not true. I guess it has to do at least with constitutional laws (well, this is the case from back home I know for sure), if not international laws or agreements.
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Old 01.11.2015, 19:49
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Not true - most countries cannot refuse entry to their own citzens.
Most countries do not refuse entry to their own citizens. Cannot can easily be changed. And what about those countries who refuse to take back their citizens committed of crimes elsewhere? If they can do that, they can easily refuse any other citizen if they so choose.
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Old 01.11.2015, 19:52
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015..._medium=social

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Old 01.11.2015, 20:11
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

And it will be the same in all the other EU countries that take in so many.
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Old 01.11.2015, 20:17
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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Most countries do not refuse entry to their own citizens. Cannot can easily be changed. And what about those countries who refuse to take back their citizens committed of crimes elsewhere? If they can do that, they can easily refuse any other citizen if they so choose.
Medea, criminals or not, most countries have the obligation to not refuse the entry of their own citizens. This consitutional right has nothing to do with sovereignity, and I suggest that people look up for some words when they don't know the meaning. (not you)
Not to mention there is a whole international jurisprudence for the returnees.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

Vietnam, Jamaica, China, India, Ethiopia, Laos, Iran, Cuba, Guyana. Guatamala, Honduras, El Salvador and Pakistan are just some of the countries who have refused to take their citizens back after they've committed crimes in the US. Because of a Supreme Court ruling, if someone can't be deported within 6 months then they're freed to continue committing crimes in the US.

Even the UK has 6 different types of nationality, only one of which allows you to enter the UK without a visa and gives you the right to live there.

https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality

And yes, some are labelled as citizens.
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Old 01.11.2015, 21:53
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

In this photo, where are the women? the children? the elderly?:

http://news.yahoo.com/german-coaliti...114516379.html
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Old 01.11.2015, 22:12
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In this photo, where are the women? the children? the elderly?:

http://news.yahoo.com/german-coaliti...114516379.html
Put your glasses on pilatus1. I can see A woman!
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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And it will be the same in all the other EU countries that take in so many.
Also not a few Swiss would tell you the same about you foreigners.

The only difference is that in Switzerland it's much worse.
It's not even part of the EU and all those foreigners are here nevertheless, and in terms of percentage they are much more numerous, and they have much foreign spawn (we had that theme once). Many of them are absolutely clueless, like those alien Anglo-Saxon folks from those uncivilized countries without law.
And then again those Germans ...


... ask Natalia Rycky or Christophe Morgelli, or better the original, Monsignor Bloché.
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Old 02.11.2015, 12:17
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Numbers, sir, gimme the numbers.
The rate of GDP growth of PL between 1989 and 2005 is similar to 2005-2014. The wave of young labour emigration benefited the drained countries? And remittances aren't at all a big part of Poland's revenue - most people emigrated for good, families included.
Poland "benefited" by not accepting Euro and not getting into the cheap credit binge of pre-2008.

Thanks to EU founds we have a hwy from Germany to Ukraine, but we don't have a hwy from Warsaw to Cracow.

Sure, we benefited, but the EU handouts aren't a large chunk of Poland GDP. If you want to know, Putin used to subsidy more Belarus, per capita, unadjusted for purchasing power, than EU subsided Poland. I have no data for 2015 but failing oil and gas prices might have reduced that.

Regarding corruption - I think it is as "endemic" as it goes, from Spain, France, to Italy, but sometimes not even like that - we do finish the highways eventually, not like in Southern Italy, we don't get out banks failed with a state collusion like in Spain, we don't pay a bonus to snow cleaning services like in Sicily, we have not that much of organized crime like in Corsica, we don't do a state corruption like hosting all the dissidents from Libya, Algeria, Morocco and using them to saw chaos like France is doing. But that's all subjective.
Ah, and which country's farmers put maquette cows in the fields to be captured by aerial photography to claim EU subsidies?
Furthermore, living a bit further West I think we have a somewhat innacurate picture of countries like Poland. From my own visits there Poland is nowhere near as poor or decrepit as people like to imagine. Maybe salaries are low but so are costs of living and overall a lot of people do fairly well there. They're not going to crash any time soon if Germany stops supporting them.
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Old 02.11.2015, 17:59
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

Was in Germany over the weekend visiting OH's family.

One guy, who is a hairdresser, said he has seen a massive increase maong his customers taking a critical stance. He a local supermarket's turnover is down 30% since asylum seekers have been housed next door. He also said policemen have been telling him that there are attempts to hush up identities of criminals in order not to alarm the population. A local sports celebrity was hospitalized with a cracked skull in an incident the press are being vague about but people are forming their own conclusions.

Later we passed by an asylum centre and talked to a security guard. The guard told us the migrants were mostly OK but they were having to guard the complex 24/7 because of fears outside people might do something. As we were talking another guard came (the one who looks like a Nazi, who i metioned in a previous post) over and contradicted the first guy and said there was no danger as people in Germany unanimously love the migrants and the migrants are super peacfeul and the security was just there for administrational purposes only. He also told us not to ask any more questions and to clear off. We nevertheless asked him whether there were problems with criminality and he said "if you came out of a war zone, you'd be aggressive and criminal too". When i asked him if this meant he was admitting there were problems with agressive and criminal behaviour he told us again to clear off. He actually followed us all the way down the street and repeated that we needed to clear off (we went slow on purpose). I finally had to remind him this was a public street and he wasn't a police officer but a civilian with a fantasy uniform and i had as much right to be here as him. That really blew his fuses and he threatened to call the police and it was only when i took a picture of him that he covered his face and made an about turn and went back to the bottom of his pond.

So much for people not being on their nerve's edge and a peaceful situation being dominated by goodwill and completely under control.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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They're not going to crash any time soon if Germany stops supporting them.
All this "E.U." money are going back to Germany, Austria, etc etc via other ways, and multiplied. Average Joe had not benefited in any way from this enlargement, all we saw was deindustrialisation, brain drain, personal tragedies.. I hope they will take their money, and leave us alone. Enough with this lie.
These countries should bring back their own people, who are constantly discriminated abroad.

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As we were talking another guard came (the one who looks like a Nazi, who i metioned in a previous post) over and contradicted the first guy and said there was no danger as people in Germany unanimously love the migrants and the migrants are super peacfeul and the security was just there for administrational purposes only. He also told us not to ask any more questions and to clear off. We nevertheless asked him whether there were problems with criminality and he said "if you came out of a war zone, you'd be aggressive and criminal too". When i asked him if this meant he was admitting there were problems with agressive and criminal behaviour he told us again to clear off. He actually followed us all the way down the street and repeated that we needed to clear off (we went slow on purpose). I finally had to remind him this was a public street and he wasn't a police officer but a civilian with a fantasy uniform and i had as much right to be here as him. That really blew his fuses and he threatened to call the police and it was only when i took a picture of him that he covered his face and made an about turn and went back to the bottom of his pond.
Well played sir... that's my number one gripe with Germans - their love of arseholes in uniforms in particular in making excuses for others and pretending they're not excuses.
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