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Old 10.12.2015, 00:16
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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Life in Switzerland is sheltered; no doubt about that.
But in a society or even in a sheltered micro-cosmos like Ticino or Switzerland, infact, it is quite normal that you might have 7 languages at one table.
Again - the more strange it seems to me that the asylum debate on this forum - dominated by Anglo-Saxons i.e. immigrants -
is kind of corrupted by continously stiring up hatred to the weaker position, i.e. the refugees - which, btw., is all but noble (do those have any pride left? What happened to that old stereotype from Robin Hood?).
Not even SVP or Lega have it on their agenda with so much fervour, which, after all, are democratic parties,


much unlike Pegida, FN, Ukip or Vlaams Belang.
There are refugees, and there are migrants.

My wife has had two refugees in her family: her great-grandfather, who came here as a political refugee in the 1860s from what is now Poland (but then Russia), and her ex husband, who came as a Vietnamese boat-person back in the 1970s (albeit, not by boat).

And of course, one migrant (me), but I came here legally, and without pretense.

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Old 10.12.2015, 00:19
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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But the point is, again, that it's strange that people with a migration background and maybe - at least for a certain period of time, in your case in the beginning - foreigners to a certain country,
agitate so much against other migrants and feel themselves somehow more valuable
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Very strange, imho, and new for me.

Pot meet kettle...
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There are refugees, and there are migrants.

My wife has had two refugees in her family: her great-grandfather, who came here as a political refugee in the 1860s from what is now Poland (but then Russia), and her ex husband, who came as a Vietnamese boat-person back in the 1970s (albeit, not by boat).

And of course, one migrant (me), but I came here legally, and without pretense.

Tom
Don't understand why do you give so many personal details as in front of a judge or something.
He is trolling.
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Old 10.12.2015, 00:26
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Don't understand why do you give so many personal details as in front of a judge or something.
Because it pleases me to do so.

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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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There are refugees, and there are migrants.
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Exactly.
Refugees are protected,


(economic) migrants must fullfil certain criteria for having a right to work and to live in the country.


The one is not better than the other, but the first "category" is protected by Constitutional law, again,
meanwhile the second is not.


So why is a group of persons, who can claim a higher level of legal protection, in the eyes of many users here of less value than others?
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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But agitating against the law is illegal in quite every country.
Wrong.

In the UK it is perfectly legal to object to a law, and there is even a defence for directly encouraging law breaking "where the encouragement or assistance is considered to be reasonable in the circumstances the person knew to exist or he reasonably believed to exist".

In the US this is also a protected right under the 1st amendment, and articles 11 and 12 of the EU Charter of Rights gives similar protection for expression of views.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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So why is a group of persons, who can claim a higher level of legal protection, in the eyes of many users here of less value than others?
I don't recall any posts here denigrating refugees The posts here have been about the ineptness of Merkel's decisions. Are you sure you aren't the one bringing "hate" into this?

Might this misunderstanding be a language issue for you?
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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Because it pleases me to do so.

Tom
It might please you to do so but the guy keeps pretending he doesn't get why the fuss.
He doesn't get it why not everyone who crosses borders illegally is a refugee until according to the laws of the country he has chosen to settle has gained that status.
He pretends he doesn't get it why crossing borders without documents is illegal.
He pretends he doesn't get it every country has the right to get as many or as little refugees they want, and who they consider to fulfil all their legal criteria.

He intentionally provokes a totally different discussion to stop everyone who has a different opinion than the official one of EU top leaders e.g. Merkel, even when they have all the rights to doubt and question.

Let's not feed the troll anymore....
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Old 10.12.2015, 00:40
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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So why is a group of persons, who can claim a higher level of legal protection, in the eyes of many users here of less value than others?
Because most of them simply aren't refugees, but rather migrants claiming to be so.

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Let's not feed the troll anymore....
Can we feed him a bit more - I'm trying to work out the line arrangement and meter of his posts. It isn't iambic pentameter or haiku, but it surely isn't normal prose.

Your lines actually rhyme much better, was that intentional
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Can we feed him a bit more - I'm trying to work out the line arrangement and meter of his posts. It isn't iambic pentameter or haiku, but it surely isn't normal prose.

Your lines actually rhyme much better, was that intentional
Actually I am trying to work out a way to make him stop posting false accusations. Oh, and one more article for him, especially for him...


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...en-borders-die
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Actually I am trying to work out a way to make him stop posting false accusations. Oh, and one more article for him, especially for him...


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...en-borders-die
Did you really say "troll" and then "stop posting false accusations" in consecutive posts?
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Did you really say "troll" and then "stop posting false accusations" in consecutive posts?
Yes, I did. Of course he will not stop trolling, but at least I had fun. I will quote Tom "Because it pleases me"...
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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Why are you Anglos so much in love with all that Nazi stuff? Strange fetish, imho).
says the guy who says people who want to change laws should be thrown out of the country while extolling some Hitleresque balderdash about "German law says so so it must be true" and that a constitution that guarantees freedom of speech isn't a proper constitution.

Just keep bringing it on.
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says the guy who says people who want to change laws should be thrown out of the country while extolling some Hitleresque balderdash about "German law says so so it must be true" and that a constitution that guarantees freedom of speech isn't a proper constitution.

Just keep bringing it on.
In one post he said they should be thrown in Guantanamo... Did he mollify a little?
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Because most of them simply aren't refugees, but rather migrants claiming to be so.
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Most of whom? Of whom is coming to Switzerland? To Europe? Germany?
Sources for your Statement with regards to "most", please.


Anyway, apart from the fact that the origin of a Person is not so difficult to identify (remember shibboleth?),
a strategy that abolishes the law because there are transgressors is no strategy.


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says the guy who says people who want to change laws should be thrown out of the country while extolling some Hitleresque balderdash about "German law says so so it must be true" and that a constitution that guarantees freedom of speech isn't a proper constitution.
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If one thinks he can stir hatred towards who is in need, agitate instigation against foreign representatives, does not accept Swiss Constitution and deliberately breaks Swiss law, should be prosecuted, yes, of course.


Btw. asylum is not only a legal guarantee in Germany, afaik.
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Can we feed him a bit more - I'm trying to work out the line arrangement and meter of his posts. It isn't iambic pentameter or haiku, but it surely isn't normal prose.

Your lines actually rhyme much better, was that intentional
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Yes, I did. Of course he will not stop trolling, but at least I had fun. I will quote Tom "Because it pleases me"...
OK, I've decided it's in the mode of Jabberwocky, but more repetetive. Now that's out of the way, ignore button beckons.
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OK, I've decided it's in the mode of Jabberwocky, but more repetetive. Now that's out of the way, ignore button beckons.
You began to resemble to bucentaure...a bit.
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You began to resemble to bucentaure...a bit.

But I don't know anything about German law..

Um, I see your point.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

Meanwhile in Berlin:
Der Tagesspiegel: Studie zu Paralleljustiz: In Berlin herrscht „Klima der Angst“

Parallel society, parallel justice system, criminal gangs counting thousands of members in multiple Berlin quarters, terrorized communities - a study presented by a justice minister of Berlin.
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