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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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I just love the way you know things without having been there.
I live in Germany so German law on privacy does interest me and I took the time to research. Thank you for your love.
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Old 23.12.2015, 01:04
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Of course he did. I do the same as teacher when I am in charge of de-escalation talks: One agrees with the idiot making the trouble until he feels flattered enough in his/her ego to be happy to just go away.
by telling him that what he is doing is Ok when in fact it is supposedly illegal?

In Germany that would be Anstiftung, no?


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I don't doubt one second that he was an idiot to piss you off
Just now you said you agreed with everything he said and that he was completely right, and seeing you didn't exclude anything in particular, that would include the shouting and generally acting like a monkey and calling the police on a false pretence. All that is supposedly perfectly good behavior for a security guard?

Are you backpedaling on that, or what is it now?

As a bonus question you might like to think about what the proper way to handle this would have been.

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You don't like Germany nor Germans, just don't go there and don't talk to us either. Simple.
This is tolerance and plurality of opinion the German way, right? I disagree with one idiot and I make fun of him and his supposed authority in a cruel way because he deserved it and you say insinuate that I don't like all of Germany and all Germans and that I shouldn't come there any more. You would have done fine there 80 years ago. You really would.

And as for me being better off not talking to Germans, you might like to reread my post and you will see he started talking to me. He started acting the monkey and I didn't force him to through any Jedi mind trick if that's what you're thinking.

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I live in Germany so German law on privacy does interest me and I took the time to research. Thank you for your love.
I'm always willing to learn, or failing that be amused. So please tell me about these privacy laws.

And also how you know precisely how they apply when you weren't there, when you didn't see where I was standing and you didn't see where this guy was standing and why you think that doesn't matter.

Are you sure that in your Napoleonic Continentalistic thinking a uniform isn't about the same as a constitution in that it automatically makes people right?

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Are you sure that in your Napoleonic Continentalistic thinking ...
The sole fact that you resume me to this tells more about you than about Germany. Therefore, I will not entertain you. Google will.
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Old 23.12.2015, 01:39
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The sole fact that you resume me to this tells more about you than about Germany. Therefore, I will not entertain you. Google will.
So you backpedal?

I'm pretty sure that Google will tell me I'm right. In fact I discussed this incident on another forum, a photography forum actually, where harassment by security guards is understandably a recurring topic so one that gets discussed and re-discussed at great depth. That forum has many German participants and they mostly agreed the man was an idiot and that I was perfectly right in the situation.

Maybe if you use google for your amusement you will even find the very thread (but I have a different user name there, so it won't be that easy)

So that's why I was hoping you could provide another side to the argument, but its a pity you won't.
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I'm pretty sure that Google will tell me I'm right.
Congratulations.

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So you backpedal?
Read my messages carefully and you'll understand what I am doing.
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Old 23.12.2015, 01:53
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Read my messages carefully and you'll understand what I am doing.
I see that very well.

You are ignoring my main arguments while picking on details.

You are presuming to know things although you weren't there and defending a man who acted like a monkey just because he was defending something you vaguely agree with, even if I'm not sure what precisely that something is.

It's a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" type of thinking. It's intellectually lazy.
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Old 23.12.2015, 03:15
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I had another interesting exchange with the nazi security guy I spoke of previously.

On my last visit to Germany I decided the time had come to wind him up a bit more.

So I pointed my camera at him.

Just the lens that is. I didn't press the button.

So out he trots and does his usual shouting routine.

He says I need to delete that picture.

I ask why. This is a public street and he is guarding public land on the taxpayer's dime.

He say, this isn't public land, it belongs to the government.

I asked him who he thinks owns the government.

He pretends to think. I pretend to ignore him.

After some profound thought he says, delete the picture.

Repeat above questions for several cycles.

Add that I make fun of him of his speech impediment. This makes him even more irate. His face is red and he shouts. We have quite a crowd standing around.

I tell them he's a crazy guy escaped from the lunatic asylum and his carers will be here soon.

He shouts that I'm a liar. I stay calm.

He takes out phone and "calls the police".

Then he says, now the police are coming, so delete your pictures.

I tell him why should I delete any pictures now the police are coming. Surely that would be destroying evidence.

He say, he has a right to privacy. If I want I can photograph the migrants in the camp but not him.

Yep, you heard it right.

Why does he have more right to privacy than the migrants?

Because people might recognize him.

So he doesn't want people to know he works here?

I might be from the press.

So there is something here the press should not see?

Delete the pictures

No

Ok, now I'm really going to call the police

So you didn't call them first time?

I did.

So you think the police forgot?

I'm reminding them.

Some time later two police cars arrice with four officers.

Courtesy of Germany taxpayer. Yee. Haa.

Policeman asks, so there's been a burglary?

I say no. This idiot wants me to delete a picture I never took.

So there hasn't been a burglary?

No

I tell the nazi, there wasn't a burglary, you lied to the police and you are wasting police time.

The policeman wants to see my pictures.

There isn't one of the nazi. The nazi goes away while another policeman talks to him. But they then each go their own ways. No arrest for wasting police time.

The policemen ask me some more questions and tell me not to aggaravate him so much. It's not been the first time they've had to come down here for a stupid reason.

I google the company he works for and they also did the security at the recent CDU party conference. Maybe I have actually met Merkel's pet monkey?
I'm not sure who comes out of that exchange looking more silly, you or the ''Nazi'!
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Old 23.12.2015, 11:20
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I'm not sure who comes out of that exchange looking more silly, you or the ''Nazi'!
Nonsense , amogles was showing up an absurd person behaving absurdly - paid by an absurd state - lying as he did so.
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Old 23.12.2015, 11:45
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Nonsense , amogles was showing up an absurd person behaving absurdly - paid by an absurd state - lying as he did so.
did you like these bits as well as the hyperbolic use of "Nazi"?:

"On my last visit to Germany I decided the time had come to wind him up a bit more.

Add that I make fun of him of his speech impediment. This makes him even more irate. His face is red and he shouts. We have quite a crowd standing around.

I tell them he's a crazy guy escaped from the lunatic asylum and his carers will be here soon."
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

I am not going to comment what everyone knows, the low employment rates etc (despite the official propaganda which tried to propagate the myths that all of the refugees are well educated - medics and engineers etc), but one thing in that Bundesbank assessment was particularly irrational. It looks like the refugees are welcome because they will boost domestic demand... Payed from the local and federal budgets of course. Sounds like a proper Ponzi scheme to me, and I remember Greece was harshly punished for doing the same thing...


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Frankfurt (AFP) - Many of the refugees arriving in Germany could initially find it difficult to get a job because of their young age and lack of qualifications, the German central bank or Bundesbank said on Monday.
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"Despite the currently favourable labour market situation, the projection assumes an unemployment rate of 70 percent in the first 12 months following recognition as a refugee, falling to a still sizeable 40 percent in the third year."

This translated into an employment rate of around 15 percent in the first year following the granting of refugee status, rising to roughly one-third after three years, the Bundesbank said.

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Turning to the general economic effect of refugee immigration, the Bundesbank estimated it could help boost domestic demand.

"The supply effects and the long-term impact on public finances will largely hinge on how quickly and effectively refugees are integrated into the labour market," the central bank said.

"In the short run, the effects are likely to be comparatively modest due to the presumed low initial participation rate and high unemployment among these refugees, and their integration will remain a major challenge for some time to come," it concluded.

Btw, it was well known that foreigners have less chances to be employed even before the refugee crisis. See below the unemployment rates among different nationalities in Germany in 2013, and the gap between Middle Eastern nationalities and other European nationalities.

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In absolute terms, most of the unemployed people of foreign origin also belong to the largest immigrant groups in Germany: 140,000 of the 460,000 Turks, for instance. A Turk living in Germany is two or three times more likely to be unemployed than a German.
Professional immigrants are well-integrated
BERLIN - SEPTEMBER 05: Young women training to become seamstresses work at sewing machines shortly before the arrival of German Chancellor Angela Merkel at the BildungsWerk Kreuzberg, a vocational training school in the immigrant-heavy district of Kreuzberg, on September 5, 2008 in Berlin, Germany. Merkel is visiting schools across Germany in order to get a better unserstanding of the state of Germany's education system. (Photo by Sean Gallup/Getty Images)
Job qualifications need to be targeted at the immigrant community, says Schäfer
On the other hand, immigrants from other Western nations barely show up in the stats. French, British, or American people apparently have the same chances as Germans. "Eastern Europeans also hold their own well: Poles, for instance, are only barely more often unemployed than Germans," said Schäfer. "And Romanians, who are often accused of coming to Germany to take advantage of the welfare system, are actually slightly less likely to be unemployed than Germans."
http://www.dw.com/en/immigrants-stru...ket/a-17083761

Proper social studies - a wonderful thing.....

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It's intellectually lazy.
You are the one who went to the neighboring country solely for winding up a guy and brag about it here afterwards. That might be an intellectual challenge in your world, I respect that.
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Old 23.12.2015, 12:31
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did you like these bits as well as the hyperbolic use of "Nazi"?:

"On my last visit to Germany I decided the time had come to wind him up a bit more.

Add that I make fun of him of his speech impediment. This makes him even more irate. His face is red and he shouts. We have quite a crowd standing around.

I tell them he's a crazy guy escaped from the lunatic asylum and his carers will be here soon."
I think that if a man takes it on himself to wear a badge of authority he has got to be able to handle that authority with dignity and bearing, and above all deserve every ounce of the respect he expects people to give him. Here clearly we had a man who thought his authority came from his uniform and who was not used to being contradicted. Well, there's a first time for everything.

It is interesting to see people here jump to his defence. If you look at history, you will see that much evil and little good has come from letting people in uniforms have their way.

As for the nazi epithet, these days in German the term is small change to tack onto anybody who disagrees with Merkel. Nobody seems to get fussed over that. You can't permissively create exceptions to Godwin's law. Either it stands or it falls.
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If you look at history, you will see that much evil and little good has come from letting people in uniforms have their way.
If you look at history, you don't call a guy you purposely wanted to wind up a nazi.
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If you look at history, you don't call a guy you purposely wanted to wind up a nazi.
The Turing test.
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The Turing test.
Call him a robot if you want, but don't call him a nazi. It's not part of the Turing test either.
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Old 23.12.2015, 13:32
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did you like these bits as well as the hyperbolic use of "Nazi"?:

"On my last visit to Germany I decided the time had come to wind him up a bit more.

Add that I make fun of him of his speech impediment. This makes him even more irate. His face is red and he shouts. We have quite a crowd standing around.

I tell them he's a crazy guy escaped from the lunatic asylum and his carers will be here soon."
Personally speaking I did not like the use of the term "Nazi" - I think that is a massively overused term which should be confined to paid up members of the NSDAP party - but unfortunately it's misuse is ubiquitous...

Winding up daft people behaving daftly is in general a good way of stretching their behaviour to the point that ultimately they realise (usually on private reflection) that their position is untenable and preposterous - I think Mrs. Merkel would be a prime candidate for such treatment recently - particularly after any visit to India or Pakistan , the latter of which is the origin where many many migrants have flowed from recently.

I did not appreciate either making fun of a person's disability - that is a low blow.

All of the above being said on balance I think the content of the security person's actions did deserve being ridiculed and hope it has some remedial effect.
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Call him a robot if you want, but don't call him a nazi. It's not part of the Turing test either.
If you are so concerned about over use of the term nazi, why are you not concerned about that term being used so liberally in Germany of late to attack those who criticize Merkel. This is the third time I'm asking you this question.

Or is it just that you think people who agree with you may use it and those who don't shouldn't?
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that term being used so liberally in Germany of late to attack those who criticize Merkel.
If you want to believe that, you're welcome to, but you can't make me... About Germany in general: My first hand knowledge vs. your perception = I win every time.
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If you want to believe that, you're welcome to, but you can't make be... My first hand knowledge vs. your perception = I win every time.
So again you claim your "knowledge" removes your need to think and observe?.

Sounds a bit like Merkel to me.

Birds of a feather.
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So again you claim your "knowledge" removes your need to think and observe?.
What do you think first hand knowledge means?
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