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Old 23.12.2015, 15:05
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If you want to believe that, you're welcome to, but you can't make me... About Germany in general: My first hand knowledge vs. your perception = I win every time.
If you think that there has not been a large surplus of people in Germany calling those who criticise Merkel "Nazis" in recent times then I'm sure you have first hand knowledge of flat earths and unicorns too. Even respected publications like "The Economist" have lowered their tone to do the same to AfD.
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Even respected publications like "The Economist" have lowered their tone to do the same to AfD.
What about reading German newspapers?
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Old 23.12.2015, 15:09
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What about reading German newspapers?
Kindly answer the question asked of you before requesting the same of others.
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Old 23.12.2015, 15:11
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Kindly answer the question asked of you before requesting the same of others.
You are obviously not familiar with the concept of rhetorical questions.
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Old 23.12.2015, 15:13
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You are obviously not familiar with the concept of rhetorical questions.
I am familiar with trolls however - of which you appear to be one.
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Old 23.12.2015, 15:14
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I am familiar with trolls however - of which you appear to be one.
If you say so. I don't mind. I am not the one groaning.
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Old 23.12.2015, 15:29
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If you say so. I don't mind. I am not the one groaning.
but you're spreading the red blobbies. Is that better?

You really do live in a very special bubble, don't you?
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Old 23.12.2015, 15:31
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You really do live in a very special bubble, don't you?
The big bubble is called Germany. That's the point here.
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Old 23.12.2015, 15:32
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What about reading German newspapers?
Yes, German newspapers do it too. All the time. German politicians do it all the time. You can hardly find an article on AfD or Pegida that doesn't make some slimey nazi comparison. You can hardly find a politicisn from the Greens to the CDU who can't address these topics without making the comparison.

What newspapers do you read, Nachrichten aus Entenhausen?

Either that or you have a special type of filter in your ear.
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Old 23.12.2015, 15:34
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The big bubble is called Germany. That's the point here.
True, that.

Although there are lots of people in Germany who can see out of the bubble. Pity you can't. Your bubble is smaller than you think.
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Old 23.12.2015, 15:40
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You can hardly find an article on AfD or Pegida that doesn't make some slimey nazi comparison.
This is the first link coming up on google news Germany when looking up "Pegida". The only nazi comparison come from Pegida, Tatjana Festerling, not the opponent :
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http://www.fr-online.de/pegida/pegid...,32977878.html
It's the exact opposite of your claims, it took me three clicks to prove you wrong.
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Old 23.12.2015, 15:44
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This is the first link coming up on google news Germany when looking up "Pegida". The only nazi comparison come from Pegida, Tatjana Festerling, not the opponent :

It's the exact opposite of your claims, and it's only a random first click on the first link coming up.
OK, first link coming up on my search was this

http://www.netz-gegen-nazis.de/

A lot of stuff on pegida there and nothing about octogenarians hiding in Argentina.,

So who is abusing the term nazi?

Are you complaining to these people about their abuse of the term? Thougt not.

And before you say, this webiste is run by illiterate fringe idiots who nobody takes seriously, look at this, they have ministerial support and work with the government.

http://www.netz-gegen-nazis.de/artik...l-zu-tun-10780
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Old 23.12.2015, 15:46
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So who is abusing the term nazi?
You and Pegida. I proved both. Now you don't have to agree, but the facts can't be changed. See
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Die frühere «Pegida»-Oberbürgermeisterkandidatin Tatjana Festerling nahm neben vielen anderen diesmal auch die Kirchen wegen ihrer Flüchtlingspolitik ins Visier: Diese würden sich «wie im Dritten Reich dem Meinungsdiktat unterwerfen» hätten als «letzte moralische Instanz» versagt.
http://www.fr-online.de/pegida/pegid...,32977878.html
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Old 23.12.2015, 18:18
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I am familiar with trolls however - of which you appear to be one.
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If you say so. I don't mind. I am not the one groaning.
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but you're spreading the red blobbies. Is that better?

You really do live in a very special bubble, don't you?
Come on, folks. Cut it out. This type of exchange adds nothing worthwhile to the discussion. Thanks.
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Old 23.12.2015, 18:53
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You and Pegida. I proved both. Now you don't have to agree, but the facts can't be changed. See
Why is it that the political dialog from Germany is either through brute force or through marginalization? There doesn't seem to be a dialog of persuasion and reasoning. I see that in this thread, and also how Germany has been behaving in the International community. They dictate what they would like to see happen, with inuendos of threats. Do Germans themselves notice this about their polemics?
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Old 23.12.2015, 19:19
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Why is it that the political dialog from Germany is either through brute force or through marginalization? There doesn't seem to be a dialog of persuasion and reasoning. I see that in this thread, and also how Germany has been behaving in the International community. They dictate what they would like to see happen, with inuendos of threats. Do Germans themselves notice this about their polemics?
I think some do, but many don't.

Germans tend to have a strong sense of right and wrong and black and white and little scope for innuendo or shades of grey. Look at German TV for example, at something like Tatort. The storyboard is simple and predictable and they don't miss a chance to shoehorn in a moral lesson if they can. There are lots of transparent caricatures and few figures with credible depth. There is hardly any irony or self analysis in any of the characters or storylines. Or look at the funny stuff. Most comedy shows are slapstick. They're so thrilling you can fall asleep.

This does not mean to say the Germans don't understand or appreciate more complex thoughts or subtelty. They most certainly do. The jokes Germans will tell you in private are quite different to those you hear on TV. They are much funnier and more subtle. And the same in their thinking. After all, Germany has produced legacies of philosophers doing really deep stuff. But the media don't do very much to explain that to normal people and there is much less of a cross-bleed between popular culture and elitist culture than there is, say in Britain or France.

Merkel has with her policies of the last few months almost single handedly handed major victories to parties of the far right in places such as Poland and France. Had there been elections this year in places like Holland and Hungary we would have seen much talk of the right there too. A lot of Germans are rightly concerned about this. But they fail to join the dots and see that their own beloved leader is the cause of this. They fail to see that being a major economic force in Europe, Germany also needs to be more of a political and thought leader. They get the leading thing maybe but assume it means the others will follow any stupidity no matter what. They fail to reach out to and seek to underdstand the rest of Europe. So instead of stepping into their leadership role they are doing crazy stuff that is only turning other countries against them. And they don't see the connection. So they can bang on about what a nasty lot the Hungarians are, but are absolutely blind to the bigger picture. The German political and media machine is a steamroller that marginalzes and destroys rather than seeking to integrate or open dialogues with those who are not part of it. They do this inside their own country and they do this with other countries. And they fail to see that a steamroller may be pretty powerful and gets things done, but its not the tool or the style of a leader.
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Old 24.12.2015, 00:43
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

So I wonder if this is a carry over from Kantian thought, where the goodness of a purpose is its sole value, but nevermind the consequences. Bad consequences can be blamed on something else later. On so, you basically have to get religious about the purpose, quash dissent, and any alternative thinking is to be despised.
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Call him a robot if you want, but don't call him a nazi. It's not part of the Turing test either.
I wasn't calling him a robot.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

this thread could use a chuckle.



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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

Interesting view on what's coming in 2016/2017.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35160080

Europe has some tough decisions to make and I'm not sure it's up to it.
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