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Old 04.11.2015, 10:24
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I know some people are unable to do their bit and so I try to contribute just a little bit more.

I have two V8s
And I have 6 V2s, any of which pollute more than your V8s.

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98,000 petrol cars and counting.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34723420
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

Not exhausted yet: the VW scandal
my God. This VW story is incredible. I understand that we all cheat at some point, not all of us pay for parking every time... however its incredible to find out that one manufacturer has been doing everything possible to cheat the entire system...

I remember 2 years ago I took my diesel BMW to the closest garage for an emission test. surprisingly I was told that I must go to a BMW dealer because the vehicle must be connected to the BMW system for the emission test...



https://espresso.economist.com/13844...scn%2Fesp%2Ffb

Bad news is belching out of Volkswagen like noxious gas from a dodgy diesel. In September the German carmaker admitted rigging 11m diesel vehicles worldwide to cheat tests for nitrogen oxides. Now American regulators allege that it also fiddled with the software on larger engines in fancy Porsches and Audis. VW has denied this—but confesses something even more damaging: an internal investigation shows that it overstated claims about the carbon-dioxide emissions and fuel efficiency of 800,000 cars, including some with petrol engines. It says this may cost €2 billion ($2.2 billion) to put right, on top of €6.5 billion already set aside; yesterday the share price tanked again. The spread of the scandal to petrol engines and fuel efficiency raises the likelihood that other carmakers have gamed Europe’s lax testing regime. VW may not be the only one to choke on its own exhaust fumes.

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Old 05.11.2015, 18:20
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

Usually I do not believe conspiracy theories because once a certain number of people are involved there is always a leak or a whistle blower or whatever.
But VW managed to keep the lid on this for so many years without any leaks
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Usually I do not believe conspiracy theories because once a certain number of people are involved there is always a leak or a whistle blower or whatever.
But VW managed to keep the lid on this for so many years without any leaks
From what I understand, VW was not a company where asking tough questions about things above your pay-grade was a way to turbo-charge your career....

And around Wolfsburg, there aren't many jobs beyond VW.
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Usually I do not believe conspiracy theories because once a certain number of people are involved there is always a leak or a whistle blower or whatever.
But VW managed to keep the lid on this for so many years without any leaks
no surprise there its only a product in a consumerism based capitalist world. They were able to keep the lid on much worst things in the past and still use the same name...

in 1937, the government of Germany–then under the control of Adolf Hitler of the National Socialist (Nazi) Party–forms a new state-owned automobile company, then known as Gesellschaft zur Vorbereitung des Deutschen Volkswagens mbH. Later that year, it was renamed simply Volkswagenwerk, or “The People’s Car Company.”

I exceeded my groan quote for this month so that is all that I will say. Nazis.


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Old 05.11.2015, 20:01
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in 1937, the government of Germany
Ah, The Local at it's best...
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Old 06.11.2015, 09:15
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

Can't we go back to talking about VW executives bribing people with prostitutes.

That was a far more entertaining scandal
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Old 06.11.2015, 09:39
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Can't we go back to talking about VW executives bribing people with prostitutes.

That was a far more entertaining scandal

Photos?
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Old 06.11.2015, 09:53
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

Is this a good time to invest in Volkswagen? I can't imagine their reputational damage can get so much worse before peoples memories subside, it becomes yesterdays news, and they recoup!
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Old 06.11.2015, 21:18
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...officials.html

BTW: that was ten years ago. Tempus fugit.
They didn't bribe ordinary people. They were union-representatives.
Or workers' council directors, as this article says:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...en-300530.html

I'm sure they had a great time.
Who wouldn't, with hookers and booze all on the company credit-card? ;-)
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Old 09.11.2015, 22:59
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

German govt. Is now talking about over half a million German cars needing a hardware fix!! Nightmare ain't it? This is additional to any software fix
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Old 17.11.2015, 09:21
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

Is it possible that EC knew about this cheats but kept quiet....no....

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/cat...ssions-issues/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lace-2017.html
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Old 23.11.2015, 22:41
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

VW have now admitted to some "non declared" software in 85,000 of the Audi 3 litre V6 diesel models but claim it does nothing "illegal".
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

Documentary on BBC1 now (Panorama).
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VW have now admitted to some "non declared" software in 85,000 of the Audi 3 litre V6 diesel models but claim it does nothing "illegal".
to be fair: Apple, Microsoft or Google software is probably also full of unknown features and nobody really seems to be bothered about it.

they should just have called it a bug
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Is this a good time to invest in Volkswagen? I can't imagine their reputational damage can get so much worse before peoples memories subside, it becomes yesterdays news, and they recoup!
TBH no, it's not clear if the company will survive. The potential liabilities from legal claims can't be estimated with any degree of accuracy at this time.
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Old 24.11.2015, 09:11
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

Last night they were talking about a liability of 50bn EUR (10bn to fix, 40bn shareholder claim).

That is before: class action suit by purchasers; a class action suit by people with breathing difficulties; suits by rival manufacturers for lost revenue.

The show merely highlighted what everyone already knew - the EU test is bollards - and that governments were chasing the wrong climate change targets.
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Last night they were talking about a liability of 50bn EUR (10bn to fix, 40bn shareholder claim).

That is before: class action suit by purchasers; a class action suit by people with breathing difficulties; suits by rival manufacturers for lost revenue.
So, the shareholders get the first dibs; then, if anything's left of the sinking ship, the customers. Hmm...sounds fair.

But is the problem fixable? I am guessing (not knowing much about automotive engineering) that if they haven't used it, that means the technology isn't here yet, hence the lies and cover-ups. Can't the company just come clean and admit that there is no way to make a cleaner engine yet? The protesters are welcome to chip in some smarts and create something better. Or increase the taxes. But I'm afraid that what they will do instead is they will put their efforts into proving that all the manufacturers lied, too.

(I think EF attitude is rubbing off on me.)
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Old 24.11.2015, 10:55
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

From what I have read/seen:
- The NOx filters went into overdrive when the car figured out it was performing a test
- The car recorded very low NOx values

Methods to reduce NOx values:
- adjust air/fuel ratio
- inject urea into the exhaust gas (not used by VW - I think Merc use this)
- use NOx filters

My "guess" is that the NOx filters would fill up very quickly if used in "test" mode for a sustained period.
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