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Nope.


While the large number of people who refute the existence of any sort of "spirit" cannot, by definition, be spiritual to any extent.
Is nothing sacred to you? nothing profane?
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In fact, it is designed
... intelligently, one hopes.
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Old 25.09.2015, 12:34
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... intelligently, one hopes.
by natural selection
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Is nothing sacred to you? nothing profane?
You don't need religion, or be religious in whatever sense, to value some things/values/concepts higher than others. I find that approach extremely arrogant, though completely unsurprising when it comes from an abrahamic religion considering the absoluteness inherent in all three (I don't really know about that) at least christianity/the bible.
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Old 25.09.2015, 13:01
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You don't need religion, or be religious in whatever sense, to value some things/values/concepts higher than others. I find that approach extremely arrogant, though completely unsurprising when it comes from an abrahamic religion considering the absoluteness inherent in all three (I don't really know about that) at least christianity/the bible.
huh? arrogant? I asked ace a simple question…

I'm not a member of any religion, though I have read a number of books regarding the psychology of it...
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Old 25.09.2015, 13:03
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Is nothing sacred to you? nothing profane?
Err, no? Sacred, like 'spiritual', surely implies a deity or spirit of some sort, doesn't it?

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connected with God or a god or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration.
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Old 25.09.2015, 13:05
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Huh, even Laphraoig?
Especially whisk[e]y of almost any sort. Foul stuff
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Old 25.09.2015, 13:13
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You don't need to be a theologian or a philosopher to practice Christianity. In fact, it is designed for people with the meekness and humility to admit that they are not smart enough to figure it out for themselves. Kind of like the first step to an addiction, to admit you have a problem and need help.

I think Assassin is wondering if Christianity permits Christians to sin. The answer is No. Christianity is NOT a license to sin. It is a license to not sin.

The example that comes to mind is King David. He saw some married chick, Bathsheba, and wanted her badly. He got her pregnant, so he plotted to get her husband killed. He later comes to his senses and admits his sin. The book of Samuel said he was forgiven. Yet what happens to his family from here on goes totally twisted because of what he has done, many generations down the road.

So with sin, there are consequences for it on earth, in this lifetime you cannot escape. One develops an awareness of it and avoids it.
Christianity

I thought the OP was writing about Eid al-Adha and Islam?
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Old 25.09.2015, 13:15
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Is nothing sacred to you? nothing profane?
Profane? I am sure our imaginary friends can survive some profanity?
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Old 25.09.2015, 13:36
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Err, no? Sacred, like 'spiritual', surely implies a deity or spirit of some sort, doesn't it?
In a sense, but we all have things sacred to us. I wouldn't describe myself as spiritual or religious in the normal sense (like 'I'm a christian', or 'I'm muslim' or 'I believe in the flying spaghetti monster')… that's just ridiculous. But at the same time, if someone were to urinate on my dead grandmother's grave, it'd surely provoke an emotional reaction in me. As much as my scientific and rational mind would reason that it is only a normal process, it's just pee on the ground, grand mom is long gone, who cares - it would be a profane intrusion into a sacred space. It triggers the same part of the human brain that would consider a church to be sacred, or a book with a cross on the cover, or a big weird cube in the desert.

This is either a learned cultural response, or hardwired into our DNA - a way to deal with existential anxiety. But it exists...

If you claim nothing is sacred or profane to you, consider this:

On the other thread about Aisha Mohammed's citizenship, you erased the post by Loz1983 with the dead body photos, and stated that you did so because somebody had flagged it. If somebody had flagged DB's kitten photo, would you have erased that one as well?

why not?
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Old 25.09.2015, 13:47
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In a sense, but we all have things sacred to us.
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But at the same time, if someone were to urinate on my dead grandmother's grave, it'd surely provoke an emotional reaction in me.
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This is either a learned cultural response, or hardwired into our DNA - a way to deal with existential anxiety. But it exists...
For you, sure. But why do you assume the same of everyone else?
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If you claim nothing is sacred or profane to you, consider this:

On the other thread about Aisha Mohammed's citizenship, you erased the post by Loz1983 with the dead body photos, and stated that you did so because somebody had flagged it. If somebody had flagged DB's kitten photo, would you have erased that one as well?

why not?
Because I recognise that not everyone shares my own sensibilities, or lack thereof. Do you really think I, or any of the other mods, operate purely on the basis of our personally views and feelings?
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Old 25.09.2015, 14:04
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Nope.For you, sure. But why do you assume the same of everyone else?
Ok, let me make it more basic for you. If I were to hypothetically try to kill you, would you stop me? Why? Survival? What's that but putting a sacred value on life? Scientifically speaking, nothing would be gained or lost by your death. So why value your life?

Sacredness is an evolutionary, psychological prerequisite to the survival instinct.
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Because I recognise that not everyone shares my own sensibilities, or lack thereof. Do you really think I, or any of the other mods, operate purely on the basis of our personally views and feelings?
I never said that, and 'No man is an island'…

Anyway, you didn't answer my question. Would you have erased the kitten photo?
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Old 25.09.2015, 14:41
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Ok, let me make it more basic for you. If I were to hypothetically try to kill you, would you stop me? Why? Survival? What's that but putting a sacred value on life? Scientifically speaking, nothing would be gained or lost by your death. So why value your life?
Sorry, you've completely lost me there. You seem to be suggesting that I'd only try and stop you killing me if I believed in a higher being that attributed some spiritual value to my life. Does a mouse try and escape a cat's claws for the same reason then?

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Anyway, you didn't answer my question. Would you have erased the kitten photo?
I thought the 'No, don't be so stupid' was implicit in my answer
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Old 25.09.2015, 14:54
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Thankyou, i was going to giveup and u posted a very sensible answer, would like to hear the jewish view also.
In this kind of climate no Jew in their right minds would start a theological discussion. I am of the same opinions as other people - try to find a more specialised forum, or even better, courses or relevant studies in theology. There are brilliant people out there who have been into studying religions all their lives (scholars, philosophers), why do you waste your time like this if you really want to get valid, unbiased answers.
But your questions are fine with me, I think it's great if you want to know different versions and views on this subject. Pluralism of opinions is a good way to start your road to knowledge.
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Especially whisk[e]y of almost any sort. Foul stuff
Heretic!
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Sorry, you've completely lost me there. You seem to be suggesting that I'd only try and stop you killing me if I believed in a higher being that attributed some spiritual value to my life.
I never mentioned a higher being.
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I thought the 'No, don't be so stupid' was implicit in my answer
This is all based on perception of what is sacred (little kitten,life) and what is profane (piles of corpses, death).

Although we may identify ourselves as non-religious, non-spiritual - a basic sense of spiritualism is hard wired into our psychology.

Anyway, don't want to argue…

Have a nice afternoon.
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Old 25.09.2015, 15:13
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Ok, let me make it more basic for you. If I were to hypothetically try to kill you, would you stop me? Why? Survival? What's that but putting a sacred value on life? Scientifically speaking, nothing would be gained or lost by your death. So why value your life?

Sacredness is an evolutionary, psychological prerequisite to the survival instinct.
What a load of cobblers. Don't try and inject a deeper holy meaning to survival instinct.

If you try to kill me, I will try to kill you too. Whoever loses will not pass on their genes (or won't pass them on any more!). Scientifically speaking, that is great for a species as a whole, as the strongest are able to reproduce.
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Ok, let me make it more basic for you. If I were to hypothetically try to kill you, would you stop me? Why? Survival? What's that but putting a sacred value on life? Scientifically speaking, nothing would be gained or lost by your death. So why value your life?
It's called self-preservation, leading to propagation of your gene line; nothing "sacred" about it. All organisms, from the lowliest bacterium to the higher mammals, practice it in one form or another. It's the single most powerful driving force in nature.
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It's difficult to celebrate and attend anything here because it's in Schweizerdütsch.

On a serious note though, my religion is to be a good man who tries to swing back on the path of righteousness every time he drifts off the course. Don't need to attend any festivities for that reason, but kindly reminder from a peer/brethren that "you might be wrong" will usually come a long way.
If those festivities imply lots of traditional food and good atmosphere why not, it's a nice way to meet people. In these days when everything is politicised, such a normal, humane way would be more than welcomed....and probably far more effective in knowing each other.
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