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Ankara blasts

At least 30 people died, ca 126 wounded in twin blasts at a peace rally outside the train station in Ankara to protest against violence between authorities and the Kurdish separatist group PKK. No info yet on suspects.
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Over 86 death, expecting to raise.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...lled-in-ankara

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Horrifying day for Turkey. To make matters worse, the government is censoring media coverage and police has blocked ambulances trying to transport victims to nearby hospitals. My heart goes out to the victims and families.
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Horrifying day for Turkey. To make matters worse, the government is censoring media coverage and police has blocked ambulances trying to transport victims to nearby hospitals. My heart goes out to the victims and families.
Yeah that's an other thing, for some obscure reasons, the police started attaching the ones who tried to help the victims.

Apparently, they prefer if you don't have a brain to be a police officer.

I'm so disgusted.
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Yeah that's an other thing, for some obscure reasons, the police started attaching the ones who tried to help the victims.

Apparently, they prefer if you don't have a brain to be a police officer.

I'm so disgusted.
Well so far no terrorist group has claimed responsibility which is unusual. Rumours are that the Govt. or their supporters were responsible which might mean the reason for the police actions is not so obscure?

The bombs were at a rally was demanding an end to the violence between the Kurdish separatist PKK militants and the Turkish government. It is hard to see who would benefit apart from the AKP getting more votes.

Prime Minister Davutoglu called for three days of national mourning; a surprisingly quick decision!

Hours after the blasts in Ankara, the PKK called for a unilateral ceasefire in its fight against the Turkish state. Which means they supported the peace rally and so were unlikely to blow it up?

The statement was released by the Group of Communities in Kurdistan (KCK) and did not reference Saturday's attack in Ankara.

BTW, immediately after the attack the Govt. blocked Twitter

HDP leader Selahattin Demirtas blamed the government in blunt terms. He said the attack was part of the same campaign as the bombing of an HDP rally in the southeastern city of Diyarbakir on the eve of June elections and a suicide bombing blamed on Islamic State in Suruc near the Syrian border in July, which killed 33 mostly young pro-Kurdish activists.

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Well so far no terrorist group has claimed responsibility which is unusual. Rumours are that the Govt. or their supporters were responsible which might mean the reason for the police actions is not so obscure?

The bombs were at a rally was demanding an end to the violence between the Kurdish separatist PKK militants and the Turkish government. It is hard to see who would benefit apart from the AKP getting more votes.

Prime Minister Davutoglu called for three days of national mourning; a surprisingly quick decision!

Hours after the blasts in Ankara, the PKK called for a unilateral ceasefire in its fight against the Turkish state. Which means they supported the peace rally and so were unlikely to blow it up?

The statement was released by the Group of Communities in Kurdistan (KCK) and did not reference Saturday's attack in Ankara.
That was my first thought. It's coming from Erdogan supporters or his people itself. I doubt the PKK would do something and hurt so many of its own people.

Someone has to get rid of Erdogan, alive or dead.
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Re: Ankara blasts

Latest news.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...lled-in-ankara


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Veysel Eroglu, minister for forestry and water, attempted to put the blame on the organisers of the peace rally. “Our people need to be careful of such provocateurs that organise terrorist demonstrations in order to incite discord in social harmony,” he said.


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Re: Ankara blasts

Thousands have taken to the streets yesterday to protest in Istanbul following the attacks in Ankara. Protesters were unfortunately met with tear gas by police again.

Walks of solidarity took place yesterday and will be organized again today all over Europe, incl. Zurich, Brussels, Strasbourg and Paris.

There were no claims for responsibility yet, but it appears “far-left militants” and the Islamic State are prime suspects. One of the bombers has been identified as male, 25-30 ys in the autopsy.

“There were no claims of responsibility for the attack, which came as external threats mount for Nato member Turkey with increased fighting across its border with Syria and incursions by Russian warplanes on its air space over the last week. The Turkish prime minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, exposing a mosaic of domestic political perils, said Islamic State, Kurdish or far-leftist militants could have carried out the bombing.”
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Thousands have taken to the streets yesterday to protest in Istanbul following the attacks in Ankara. Protesters were unfortunately met with tear gas by police again.

Walks of solidarity took place yesterday and will be organized again today all over Europe, incl. Zurich, Brussels, Strasbourg and Paris.

There were no claims for responsibility yet, but it appears “far-left militants” and the Islamic State are prime suspects. One of the bombers has been identified as male, 25-30 ys in the autopsy.

“There were no claims of responsibility for the attack, which came as external threats mount for Nato member Turkey with increased fighting across its border with Syria and incursions by Russian warplanes on its air space over the last week. The Turkish prime minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, exposing a mosaic of domestic political perils, said Islamic State, Kurdish or far-leftist militants could have carried out the bombing.”
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Terrorists carry out such attacks to promote/publicise their own organisation and to make demands (like release political prisoners or stop bombing... ).

This is the third major bombing in Turkey where nobody claimed responsibility and nobody made demands.

You have to wonder who benefits from these bombings, who would do all the necessary work to perform these attacks and then does not bother to claim responsibility or make demands.

You will note after each bombing Erdogan makes a speech which effectively says; support me and vote accordingly.
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Old 11.10.2015, 19:16
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Re: Ankara blasts

Death toll is at 128 now. Such tragic loss of life.

People marched in solidarity all over the world today, while protestors in Ankara chanted anti-government slogans.

Police allegedly fired tear gas at mourners, who were attempting to lay flowers at yesterday's attack site and many other stories of police violence resurfaced, e.g.

Outside Numune Hospital in central Ankara, families of victims treated at the hospital (...) said they were attacked with tear gas as they rushed to the scene for news of their loved ones.

One man who said he learned of his nephew’s death in the bombing on Facebook said he was tear-gassed after arriving at the site of the bombing by police.

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Death toll is at 128 now. Such tragic loss of life.

People marched in solidarity all over the world today, while protestors in Ankara chanted anti-government slogans.

Police allegedly fired tear gas at mourners, who were attempting to lay flowers at yesterday's attack site and many other stories of police violence resurfaced, e.g.

Outside Numune Hospital in central Ankara, families of victims treated at the hospital (...) said they were attacked with tear gas as they rushed to the scene for news of their loved ones.

One man who said he learned of his nephew’s death in the bombing on Facebook said he was tear-gassed after arriving at the site of the bombing by police.



Seems the Turkish have fingerprinted a man who they claim was one of the suicide bomber's, it is also also claimed he was ISIS trained.
Whether this body really exists, was found at the site of the bombing or pulled from a deep freeze are the sort of questions that people will ask in the present times of deep mistrust of Erdogan.


Luckily the bomber's hands were not so badly damaged he could be fingerprinted and also luckily the police happened to have a set of his fingerprints on record and also luckily they could match the prints so quickly.


The questions of why ISIS did not claim responsibility and what their objective was in this bombing are also open
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Re: Ankara blasts

here is the statement of Chris Stephenson - a British mathematician living in Istanbul, - I think this is a good sum up all happenings:

English speaking friends: I am just back from Ankara. Thanks to everyone who sent messages. Sorry I could not reply until now. We have suffered a terrible attack and lost many good and brave friends today.

Our contingent was very close to both explosions (maybe 30-40 metres away). We were lucky and were not injured. Seeing human body parts just lying on the ground was horrific.The reports in the English speaking media seem to be informed by Turkish government spin. This was a *trade union* and associations of engineers architects and doctors organised peace march. The police completely disappeared before the explosions. The first police reaction after the explosions was to tear gas the injured. The police arrived before the ambulances. I saw with my own eyes ambulances kept waiting to let the police enter the area first.

There is no doubt in anyone's mind here about who is responsible for this attack. The PKK are about to announce a unilateral ceasefire in the runup to the general election, and it seems these bombs are designed as an attempt to prevent that cease-fire from happening. Turkey's deep state is in action in a big way and probably out of control. The HDP has repeated calls for peace.

What is happening in Turkey is obviously related to the war in Syria. Don't feel sorry for us. Do what you can to stop your "own" governments from fuelling this war. We do not need more bombs in the Middle East. People in Britain, stop Cameron's bombing plans.
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Re: Ankara blasts

Because both Erdogan and ISIS would profit from the uncertainty and rift between the Turkish government and PKK?

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Seems the Turkish have fingerprinted a man who they claim was one of the suicide bomber's, it is also also claimed he was ISIS trained.
Whether this body really exists, was found at the site of the bombing or pulled from a deep freeze are the sort of questions that people will ask in the present times of deep mistrust of Erdogan.


Luckily the bomber's hands were not so badly damaged he could be fingerprinted and also luckily the police happened to have a set of his fingerprints on record and also luckily they could match the prints so quickly.


The questions of why ISIS did not claim responsibility and what their objective was in this bombing are also open
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Seems the Turkish have fingerprinted a man who they claim was one of the suicide bomber's, it is also also claimed he was ISIS trained.
Whether this body really exists, was found at the site of the bombing or pulled from a deep freeze are the sort of questions that people will ask in the present times of deep mistrust of Erdogan.


Luckily the bomber's hands were not so badly damaged he could be fingerprinted and also luckily the police happened to have a set of his fingerprints on record and also luckily they could match the prints so quickly.


The questions of why ISIS did not claim responsibility and what their objective was in this bombing are also open
Wow! That is impressive! I'm so so happy how goooood they are in their investigations. How it doesn't look like a set up at all.

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Meanwhile Serefsiz (without honor) Tayip's people.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...&NewsCatID=341
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Because both Erdogan and ISIS would profit from the uncertainty and rift between the Turkish government and PKK?
How would ISIS profit from the uncertainty and rift between the Turkish government and PKK? Please do explain?


How would this benefit them more than actually claiming responsibility for the bombings and stating their aims?


The Turkish government are already bombing PKK locations outside of Turkey and arresting claimed PKK members in Turkey; what more could happen to benefit ISIS? Oh it seems the Turkish military are now bombing Kurds in Turkey; strikes in the Lice area of southeast Turkey on Oct. 10.
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Re: Ankara blasts

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The resumption of those clashes, which have claimed hundreds of lives since July, appears to play into the hands of the group believed to be responsible for the Ankara bombing, Islamic State.

“Isis is the party that would benefit most from this action,” said Haldun Solmazturk, a retired brigadier general in the Turkish army, referring to the attack and its aftermath.

On the one hand, Mr Solmazturk says, the group appears to be forcing Turkey to think twice about further involvement in Syria.

On the other, it is trying to distract the Kurds, its most formidable foes on the ground, by fanning the flames of its conflict with Turkey. By pitting one of its enemies against the other, says Mr Solmazturk, “it is killing two birds with one stone”.
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The resumption of those clashes, which have claimed hundreds of lives since July, appears to play into the hands of the group believed to be responsible for the Ankara bombing, Islamic State.

“Isis is the party that would benefit most from this action,” said Haldun Solmazturk, a retired brigadier general in the Turkish army, referring to the attack and its aftermath.

On the one hand, Mr Solmazturk says, the group appears to be forcing Turkey to think twice about further involvement in Syria.

On the other, it is trying to distract the Kurds, its most formidable foes on the ground, by fanning the flames of its conflict with Turkey. By pitting one of its enemies against the other, says Mr Solmazturk, “it is killing two birds with one stone”.

About "“Isis is the party that would benefit most from this action,” said Haldun Solmazturk, a retired brigadier general in the Turkish army, referring to the attack and its aftermath."

Actually the party that will benefit most is the AKP; I do not expect senior Turkish people would state this.


About "the group appears to be forcing Turkey to think twice about further involvement in Syria." How exactly is ISIS doing this when they do not even bother claiming responsibility?
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Re: Ankara blasts

Who benefits from this is a secondary question for me.

Such a terror activity has happened in the center of the capital.

Terrorists attacks are planned, detected and stopped everyday in every country. So that is not news but they are detected before they happen and stopped.

Therefore, my first priority is why wasn't stopped?

I blame the government for the following reasons:

1. Either they organized the bombing
2. or they knew about but not stopped
3. or they didn't even knew about the attack which shows great incompetency and incapability.

There is no other explanation on what has happened. They need to be judged and punished accordingly for whatever the item above is correct.

On the other hand, are they the only ones to blame? certainly not! I also blame HDP for not making a clear separation between themselves and the violence option through PKK. I am not Kurdish but I voted for them in the last election with the hope that they will voice their rightful demands in a peaceful way and condemn any kind of violence. For me, what they did (or did not) is a huge disappointment.
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Who benefits from this is a secondary question for me.

Such a terror activity has happened in the center of the capital.

Terrorists attacks are planned, detected and stopped everyday in every country. So that is not news but they are detected before they happen and stopped.

Therefore, my first priority is why wasn't stopped?

I blame the government for the following reasons:

1. Either they organized the bombing
2. or they knew about but not stopped
3. or they didn't even knew about the attack which shows great incompetency and incapability.

There is no other explanation on what has happened. They need to be judged and punished accordingly for whatever the item above is correct.

On the other hand, are they the only ones to blame? certainly not! I also blame HDP for not making a clear separation between themselves and the violence option through PKK. I am not Kurdish but I voted for them in the last election with the hope that they will voice their rightful demands in a peaceful way and condemn any kind of violence. For me, what they did (or did not) is a huge disappointment.

About "Who benefits from this is a secondary question for me."
Actually it is the key question! If you know who benefits then you know who did it!


About " and condemn any kind of violence" It is hard to find English language quotes but here are some HDP examples.


Aug 8; Selahattin Demirtas, a charismatic former human rights lawyer who campaigned on a progressive platform that took the party beyond its roots in Kurdish nationalism, urged the PKK to "remove its finger from the trigger".

Sept 8th; Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) Co-chair Selahattin Demirtaş called on Turks and Kurds to join forces to bring an end to the violence in Turkey and said that “peace will win at the end”


Sept 10;The following statement was released by the pro-Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) Foreign Affairs Commission on Sept. 10, urging international action against Turkey’s “politics of violence” against the Kurds. “We call on all democratic international institutions and forces to take concrete steps against the Turkish state’s violent, anti-democratic actions against its own people and citizens,”


Sept 12 "
The party emphasized that HDP is not a part of these violence-based, war- oriented policies, nor did it take part in any decision-making process of the war. “On the contrary, we are trying to push both PKK and the Turkish state to end this armed conflict. It should be known that it is the AKP who is insisting on war politics and implementing anti- democratic practices all over the country”,
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