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Old 13.10.2015, 12:51
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Re: Isis chief al baghadi killed ?

I have a feeling he has a successor model in place, making sure new leaders take over.

Meanwhile there is still no evidence whether he is alive. Unreliable news about his whereabouts range from claims he was seen in a hospital in Al-Qaim, to him being granted safe passage in Israel (prompting again the old conspiracy theory that he may be Mossad trained)..

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YES, as he indeed IS the leader of ISIS and its guiding spirit
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Yes, I've noticed that Americans often say the wrong thing.

Yes, Phos, Dante wrote in his dialect of what passed for Italian at the turn of the 14th century. But even in his own language, he never wrote anything close to what you and JFK claimed he wrote. But accuracy has never really been one of your strong points on this forum, has it?
You guys are talking about two different Dantes. JFK was quoting some random Southern Baptist preacher named Dante and it was pronounced "Daaahnte".
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Old 13.10.2015, 13:12
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Re: Isis chief al baghadi killed ?

That's interesting. I've known that JFK had misquoted Dante, but never heard of the guy you mentioned.

According to Wiki, JFK did misquote Dante Alighieri. Do you have a source for the Daaante guy?

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The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality.
John F. Kennedy misquoting Dante (24 June 1963). Dante placed those who "non furon ribelli né fur fedeli" [were neither for nor against God] in a special region near the mouth of Hell; the lowest part of Hell, a lake of ice, was for traitors.
According to the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum President Kennedy got his facts wrong. Dante never made this statement. The closest to what President Kennedy meant is in the Inferno where the souls in the ante-room of hell, who "lived without disgrace and without praise," and the coward angels, who did not rebel but did not resist the cohorts of Lucifer, are condemned to continually chase a banner that is forever changing course while being stung by wasps and horseflies.
See Canticle I (Inferno), Canto 3, vv 35-42 for the notion of neutrality and where JFK might have paraphrased from.
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Old 13.10.2015, 13:17
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You want to hear that someone's been killed? What sort of monster are you?
Jeremy Corbyn called it a "tragedy", when he heard the news.
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Old 13.10.2015, 13:41
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You want to hear that someone's been killed? What sort of monster are you?
Would you have rather had him round for tea and crumpets?

This is a guy that oversees a regime which throws gay men off buildings, crucifies people, beheads people, burns people alive, stones people etc. etc.
Sending in a team to capture him would endanger lives which his isn't worth.
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That's interesting. I've known that JFK had misquoted Dante, but never heard of the guy you mentioned.

According to Wiki, JFK did misquote Dante Alighieri. Do you have a source for the Daaante guy?
No, but I'm a reliable source. Go ahead and add it to the Wikipedia page.
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This is a guy that oversees a regime which throws gay men off buildings, crucifies people, beheads people, burns people alive, stones people etc. etc.

Yes, but enough about our Saudi Arabian allies.
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Re: Isis chief al baghadi killed ?

US is currently assessing results of an airstrike that targeted Jihadi John earlier today. Some sources claim he has been killed.
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Old 13.11.2015, 15:07
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Re: Isis chief al baghadi killed ?

Mixed feelings on social media.. some are posting countless memes celebrating JJ's end (I posted one that appeared in my twitter feed), others, including Corbyn say he should have been kept alive and brought to court.

Responding to the suspected killing of Mr Emwazi, Mr Corbyn said: “We await identification of the person targeted in last night’s US air attack in Syria. It appears Mohammed Emwazi has been held to account for his callous and brutal crimes. However, it would have been far better for us all if he had been held to account in a court of law."

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Mixed feelings on social media.. some are posting countless memes celebrating JJ's end (I posted one that appeared in my twitter feed), others, including Corbyn say he should have been kept alive and brought to court.

Responding to the suspected killing of Mr Emwazi, Mr Corbyn said: “We await identification of the person targeted in last night’s US air attack in Syria. It appears Mohammed Emwazi has been held to account for his callous and brutal crimes. However, it would have been far better for us all if he had been held to account in a court of law."
Typical - in principle I fully agree that we should not have extra judicial killing; but this is totally different, he's in a war zone and has personally declared war on us - what does Corbyn expect, that a soldier stands up and reads someone their rights across a fire zone before firing
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Yes, but enough about our Saudi Arabian allies.
Talking about our allies ...
Indeed they seem much nicer and friendlier.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/op...fied.html?_r=0
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Old 13.11.2015, 19:14
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Would you have rather had him round for tea and crumpets?

This is a guy that oversees a regime which throws gay men off buildings, crucifies people, beheads people, burns people alive, stones people etc. etc.
Sending in a team to capture him would endanger lives which his isn't worth.
Sounds like the American south post civil war to and during the beginning of the civil rights movement in the 60's. I guess it's different when you have a Christian God on your side and thousands of non justified claims of rape of pure white girls from African Americans.
And I know those Southern mofo's enjoyed a good Ole ice tea just as well.
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Old 13.11.2015, 19:22
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US is currently assessing results of an airstrike that targeted Jihadi John earlier today. Some sources claim he has been killed.
Rest in pieces
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Old 13.11.2015, 20:26
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Re: Isis chief al baghadi killed ?

We can sum up this thread with a famous quote:

"Never believe everything you read on the internet"

-Mark Twain
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Mixed feelings on social media.. some are posting countless memes celebrating JJ's end (I posted one that appeared in my twitter feed), others, including Corbyn say he should have been kept alive and brought to court.

Responding to the suspected killing of Mr Emwazi, Mr Corbyn said: “We await identification of the person targeted in last night’s US air attack in Syria. It appears Mohammed Emwazi has been held to account for his callous and brutal crimes. However, it would have been far better for us all if he had been held to account in a court of law."
Corbyn is an embarrassment to the UK.
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Typical - in principle I fully agree that we should not have extra judicial killing; but this is totally different, he's in a war zone and has personally declared war on us - what does Corbyn expect, that a soldier stands up and reads someone their rights across a fire zone before firing

So do you agree, or not?


Is it not preferable (i.e. what Corbyn actually said, not what you are twisting his words to say) to bring criminals to justice, rather than blowing them up remotely from 5000kms away?

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Corbyn is an embarrassment to the UK.

I suppose everyone whose views differ from you is an embarassment?


Whilst you may not like him (duh!), you can't argue that he's wrong on this one, bringing him to justice in our civilised way, would certainly have been preferable to scattering him to the winds in 1000 pieces.
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Whilst you may not like him (duh!), you can't argue that he's wrong on this one, bringing him to justice in our civilised way, would certainly have been preferable to scattering him to the winds in 1000 pieces.
Agreed, but I am not crying about it either. However crazy times require crazy tactics. I would call it less of a judicial killing and more of a tactic in war. IS have declared war on our society, using the tactics they understand, i.e. the killing as many innocents as they can in a single attack to strike fear and create hatred. We reply when the information comes to light of an exact target and location, hopefully we do not blow any innocents to smithereens in the process and we get our target. So while its much better to get the ringleaders and bring them to trial, vaporizing them is usually the only realistic option.

I do however, quite like Corbyn, but he isn't always correct. Some comically scathing comments on here, seriously Daily Mail hate stuff its quite worrying
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Old 16.11.2015, 12:40
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...hopefully we do not blow any innocents to smithereens in the process...

I don't think that's good enough for a country who is supposedly taking the moral high ground.
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I don't think that's good enough for a country who is supposedly taking the moral high ground.
I think we can safely assume that we/the US, Britain, Europe are not on any moral high ground anymore. Our assertions of democracy are a fallacy, we have stooped in decency and have become amoral, bound only to the Godalmighty dollar or Franc or Yen. We wage wars over access to resources, our taxes are bolstered by the manufacture and sale of arms to the very countries we then bomb the shit out of. We have surveillance everywhere, thats another industry in itself. (And don't get me started on the banking sector and the mega corporations that put sweet FA back into the societies they profit the most from, agreed by the leaders of our "Moral societies") The UN has become a hugely expensive joke. The War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague wont chase after criminal leaders from the West. And then we all complain because refugees are trying to escape poverty or a war zone and come to Europe, sheesh, to see the wood for the trees.
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Old 16.11.2015, 13:02
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Re: Isis chief al baghadi killed ?

Can we dump that moral high ground ruse if it is debilitating our ability to tackle a more egregious evil?
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