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You're a vegan, presumably?
Sorry to disappoint you....but No.

Just someone who respects life and thinks animals are NOT inferior life forms.
And that bravery is not something which is discovered at the end of the barrel.

Read the memoirs of Jim Corbett and maybe that may change your perspective. How a celebrated 'hunter' became an extremely passionate conservationist.
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Sorry to disappoint you....but No.
Then you're a hypocrite.

Unless, of course, you're prepared to meet those calves that die so you can enjoy a cheese sandwich "on equal terms in their own habitat".
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Then you're a hypocrite.

Unless, of course, you're prepared to meet those calves that die so you can enjoy a cheese sandwich "on equal terms in their own habitat".
I should think that both recent huntings (i.e. Cecil & Nkombo) were not driven by a need to hunt these for food- on the other hand, it is for sport (& trophy). Similar to hunting fox.
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The other day we had a similar discussion at home (after dear Cecil was killed) with my wife who is btw from Zim. She summarized it as follows:

"God has created those animals for a reason to graze freely in their natural in-habitat to share peacefully resources and make the planet a better place for all of us by naturally regulating the ecosystem".

I couldn't agree more with my wife. The woman knows best.

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I should think that both recent huntings (i.e. Cecil & Nkombo) were not driven by a need to hunt these for food- on the other hand, it is for sport (& trophy). Similar to hunting fox.
Is cheese really necessary for subsistence?

I doubt those poor little calves care whether they're being killed for sport or Sbrinz.
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Is cheese really necessary for subsistence?

I doubt those poor little calves care whether they're being killed for sport or Sbrinz.
Perhaps I don't know much about what happens in farms (despite the years here), but what's the association between cheese and calves being killed (for cheese???)?

In any case, I can't eat cheese
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Then you're a hypocrite.

Unless, of course, you're prepared to meet those calves that die so you can enjoy a cheese sandwich "on equal terms in their own habitat".
Interesting.
Is this how you normally argue your point?
By calling people names? And does it work for you?

I am not vegan.
I turned vegeterian over 20 years back.
Because I visited a market where animals were sold for meat and when I looked into their eyes and saw the fear, I could not eat meat anymore.

And there is a difference between hunting for meat and hunting to get your rocks off. And this is more of the latter.

Again, do yourself a favour and educate yourself.
Read the memoirs of Jim Corbett.
The man was a legendary hunter who put down man eating tigers when the British ruled India but by the end of it, he put down the gun and campaigned passionately for conservation.

Lesson there for all who think hunting is a 'sport/passion/calling'.

Wanna hunt, take a shield and spear and meet the animal in his/her own turf. And if you triumph, brilliant. Not this nonsense.
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Perhaps I don't know much about what happens in farms (despite the years here), but what's the association between cheese and calves being killed (for cheese???)?

In any case, I can't eat cheese
For a dairy cow to continue producing milk she needs to produce calves on a regular basis as this stimulates the hormone levels that aid lactation.
If the calf is male, and any females surplus to requirements (replacing the mother or expanding the dairy herd) are considered 'useless' and rapidly slaughtered for veal.
Milk = cheese.
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Perhaps I don't know much about what happens in farms (despite the years here), but what's the association between cheese and calves being killed (for cheese???)?

In any case, I can't eat cheese
Once upon a time there was a little girl cow. The farmer loved her because she would grow up to be big and strong and have little girl cows of her own and provide milk and an income for the farmer. He cared for her, fed her and paid her vet bills, for it was economical.

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Once upon a time there was a little boy cow. He wouldn't produce any milk. He was killed at birth and thrown in a skip.

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The other day we had a similar discussion at home (after dear Cecil was killed) with my wife who is btw from Zim. She summarized it as follows:

"God has created those animals for a reason to graze freely in their natural in-habitat to share peacefully resources and make the planet a better place for all of us by naturally regulating the ecosystem".

I couldn't agree more with my wife. The woman knows best.
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"God has created those animals for a reason to graze freely in their natural in-habitat to share peacefully resources and make the planet a better place for all of us by naturally regulating the ecosystem".
Well there'd be a lot less animals to graze freely in their natural habitat if we weren't around to farm them. I'm quite sure many of them would have become extinct. Was that part of God's grand plan too?
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Can I just bring your attention back to the article:

The problem
In the last ten years elephant numbers have dropped by 62%. There are fewer than 500,000 on the African continent today and conservationists have warned that by the end of the next decade, they could be extinct
500,000 is shit loads. Elephants aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

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The recent instance of the whole world getting hot under the collar when a lion got shot was partly because it was not legal. The lion was lured out.
It was legal. Charges have been dropped.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...ing-cecil-lion
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And I am sick in the head and heart.
Fixed that for you, given your "übernächste" sentence.

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Because animals have as much right as humans to this earth.
I hope this man and people like him die a slow, painful and horrible death.
That may help them understand the pain and suffering they cause.
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Well there'd be a lot less animals to graze freely in their natural habitat if we weren't around to farm them. I'm quite sure many of them would have become extinct. Was that part of God's grand plan too?
My point is:

Many animals are hunted and killed for sport which I do not support anyway and many would agree that it takes some individual with twisted mind to find it as a pleasant hobby. Why won't they hunt one another preferably with targets installed deep in their asses or balls area?

Both animals were, as part of conservation, old and popular symbols in game parks with Cecil's very well known identity and old elephant presumably was named Nkombo but not clearly identified. Don't f@cken destroy heritage!

If you really have such urge to kill for fun go hunt elsewhere those less known representatives which I'm sure do not easily get lured out and will give you a good fight too. Hence, cowardly bastards!

We all know that these animals get killed for fun but please spare us details, will you, as we don't want to hear about it. Hunt legally and quietly. It won't make those outrages stories reaching the headlines. I'm not vegetarian but I do not exalt myself in stories from butchery either.
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...nevertheless before gunpowder and all its tribulations came along nature coped very well thank you. There are laws of nature which ensure that too many of any species is quickly brought under control and the network nature has formed over eons stays put, or would if it could. Nature worked out long ago what it had to do to keep the oceans, rivers, forests, jungles full. ...
Nice theory, but completely testicular on all points.

Consider:
Antarctica was once a green and pleasant land.
Snowball Earths are though to have happened several times in the last 4'000 million years.
Asteroids wreak far more havoc than puny humans - even with nukes.
Humans have successfully turned land to desert without the help of gunpowder.

We might develop the technology to get off this planet and spread around the universe, perhaps taking the fluffy bunnies and elephants with us. You'd better hope so, because in the long term, it's all doomed to become extinct. Of course in the very long term, it's futile anyway.
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I do it because I enjoy it.

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One of those things nature worked out is humanity, by the way.

Oh, and nature didn't "work out" diddly. There is no vast consciousness controlling everything but somehow impotent in the face of humanity. Random chance evolved the earth's ecosystem to the point where it is today, and a million years from now it will be something completely different again; the current status quo is not inherently "right" for earth, though it seems to be right for us, it just happens to be where we're at now.

That's OK then. Because 'nature' is blind and dumb we can destroy whatever we want because random chance will evolve in some way. So why make a thing of it... After all, we won't be here long will we.
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Disgusting.
Personally people who hunt are overcompensating for obvious issues.
If you really want to be a hunter, get rid of the high powered rifle with the scope and meet the animal in his/her habitat on equal terms.
Pretending to be a hunter with this kind of nonsense means you have multiple issues.
And you are sick in the head and heart.
Because animals have as much right as humans to this earth.
I hope this man and people like him die a slow, painful and horrible death.
That may help them understand the pain and suffering they cause.

equal terms ? how exactly ?
you have
- the horn of a rhino ?
- the teeth of a shark ?
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I am not vegan.
I turned vegeterian over 20 years back.
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It was legal. Charges have been dropped.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...ing-cecil-lion
Yes, he had all the right permits/papers etc. But that doesn't explain why they had been "using bait to lure Cecil out of his habitat in Hwange National Park so he could be killed" (source: your link above). Does that sound like following the law?
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