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Wanna hunt, take a shield and spear and meet the animal in his/her own turf. And if you triumph, brilliant. Not this nonsense.
I have never understood this argument from anti-hunting advocates. Seems kinda dumb.

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equal terms ? how exactly ?
you have
- the horn of a rhino ?
- the teeth of a shark ?
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For a dairy cow to continue producing milk she needs to produce calves on a regular basis as this stimulates the hormone levels that aid lactation.
If the calf is male, and any females surplus to requirements (replacing the mother or expanding the dairy herd) are considered 'useless' and rapidly slaughtered for veal.
Milk = cheese.
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I do it because I enjoy it.
Out of interest, which one of these wouldn't you get a kick out of killing (if any)?:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/15/tr...rds/index.html
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500,000 is shit loads. Elephants aren't going anywhere anytime soon.



It was legal. Charges have been dropped.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...ing-cecil-lion
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Sorry, but no: being vegetarian isn't enough to get you off the hook. If we're going to be pedantic, even vegans are responsible for the deaths of thousands, perhaps millions of animals a year, but at least they're putting some effort into moral consistency.

There is no real reason, in the year 2015, for any European or North American to eat dairy produce, other than for pleasure. A cup of coffee is lovely with steamed milk over the top, toast just wouldn't be the same without lashings of butter, and who doesn't enjoy a slab of Stilton at Christmas? But none of these pleasures is essential for life for any contributor to this thread.

So, apparently, it's ok for hundreds of thousands of calves to be slaughtered for our pleasure, but it isn't ok for someone else to get pleasure from the sport of hunting.

The fact that some animals might be completely eradicated by hunters is a separate issue: only an idiot would argue that hunting should be completely unregulated and tourists allowed to hunt elephants or rhinos to extinction. But that isn't what animates the moral guardians amongst us. All hunting for pleasure is bad, and anyone who enjoys it must be a psychopath.

I don't care a fig for hunting. The idea of lying under a bush in Africa waiting for some wildebeeste to come running past doesn't appeal to me at all. But I do enjoy a nice plate of cheese and pickle, a cup of hot chocolate, steak and chips and bacon wrapped dates. How is my pleasure any more virtuous than that of the hunter who can, at least, see the animal he is killing, and is prepared to do the killing himself?

It's easy to wag fingers at other people. Not so easy to acknowledge that we're no better - or might, indeed, be worse!
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We mainly eat goat cheese, so where's the beef?

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We mainly eat goat cheese, so where's the beef?

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Eaten raw with capers, no?
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Modern psycology confirms the relationship between cruelty to animals and adult violence. Killing animals for fun produces cruelty to human beings.


Actually not always true. Hitler loved animals.
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Modern psycology confirms the relationship between cruelty to animals and adult violence. Killing animals for fun produces cruelty to human beings.


Actually not always true. Hitler loved animals.
Yeah. It wasn't so long ago that "psychologists" considered loving someone of the same sex as a mental illness.

I think we can safely dismiss what "psychologists" have to say on the subject of the oldest sport in the world.
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Sorry, but no: being vegetarian isn't enough to get you off the hook. If we're going to be pedantic, even vegans are responsible for the deaths of thousands, perhaps millions of animals a year, but at least they're putting some effort into moral consistency.

There is no real reason, in the year 2015, for any European or North American to eat dairy produce, other than for pleasure. A cup of coffee is lovely with steamed milk over the top, toast just wouldn't be the same without lashings of butter, and who doesn't enjoy a slab of Stilton at Christmas? But none of these pleasures is essential for life for any contributor to this thread.

So, apparently, it's ok for hundreds of thousands of calves to be slaughtered for our pleasure, but it isn't ok for someone else to get pleasure from the sport of hunting.

The fact that some animals might be completely eradicated by hunters is a separate issue: only an idiot would argue that hunting should be completely unregulated and tourists allowed to hunt elephants or rhinos to extinction. But that isn't what animates the moral guardians amongst us. All hunting for pleasure is bad, and anyone who enjoys it must be a psychopath.

I don't care a fig for hunting. The idea of lying under a bush in Africa waiting for some wildebeeste to come running past doesn't appeal to me at all. But I do enjoy a nice plate of cheese and pickle, a cup of hot chocolate, steak and chips and bacon wrapped dates. How is my pleasure any more virtuous than that of the hunter who can, at least, see the animal he is killing, and is prepared to do the killing himself?

It's easy to wag fingers at other people. Not so easy to acknowledge that we're no better - or might, indeed, be worse!
Well, just as a quick in-between - and just as off-topic (although agree with you on some points) - enjoy your bacon tomorrow :

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...thaus-12364091
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Well, just as a quick in-between - and just as off-topic (although agree with you on some points) - enjoy your bacon tomorrow :

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...thaus-12364091
I grew up in and around slaughterhouses. I know exactly what the killing of animals entails.

So what's your point?
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Whatever your plans to go hunting, please make sure you don't take down Springboks because they still stand a chance to win the RWC2015
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I'm not pro-hunting by any means. But it's just irksome that the whole world gets hot under the collar when a lion gets shot, completely legally, in a place that they're never going to visit. What's the difference between shooting a lion, a stag, a grouse or an elk anyhow? Beasts getting shot for sport is just something that some people like to do.
Probably because they have tiny d1cks, they were bullied as kids, maybe they were spoilt, who knows but they are low life scum. Animals that have no chance of outrunning a crazy high powered rifle with scope the size of Jodrell Bank on top. It's hardly sporting is it? We're supposed to be modern, developed humans, not cavemen.

"sport" would be taking the gun from this "white hunter" and his fat b4stard friend from earlier in the year, the American dentist and throwing them into a lion enclosure and watching that. Now that would be sport. Watching them run around trying to avoid being gored and ripped apart limb by fat, lazy limb would be much more amusing. I'd pay to see that.

Cue groans I suspect.
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Probably because they have tiny d1cks, they were bullied as kids, maybe they were spoilt, who knows but they are low life scum. Animals that have no chance of outrunning a crazy high powered rifle with scope the size of Jodrell Bank on top. It's hardly sporting is it? We're supposed to be modern, developed humans, not cavemen.

"sport" would be taking the gun from this "white hunter" and his fat b4stard friend from earlier in the year, the American dentist and throwing them into a lion enclosure and watching that. Now that would be sport. Watching them run around trying to avoid being gored and ripped apart limb by fat, lazy limb would be much more amusing. I'd pay to see that.

Cue groans I suspect.
What's your opinion of the sporting nature of slaughterhouses?
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What's your opinion of the sporting nature of slaughterhouses?
There's a need for them and not just a sporting/thrill seeking/entertainment value.
1) Cows, Pigs etc. are not endangered.
2) Assuming they've been killed in a licences slaughterhouse, then it's legal.
3) The animals are killed in a humane manner.
4) They are not stalked for hours on end, panicked and scared.
5) There's more than a good chance that whatever method is used is quick and almost pain free.
6) Most likely, the hunter doesn't even want to eat what's just been killed. Whereas, there is a reason to kill a cow/pig etc in a slaughterhouse, i.e. for food.

"Sporting" hunting - Maybe groups of like minded people should go to a disused quarry (no pun intended), miles away from causing danger to anyone else and hunt each other. That way, there's a sporting chance for all involved.

And just to be clear, before you ask, I'm not a veggie. I enjoy a bacon sandwich as much as the the next man.

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I grew up in and around slaughterhouses. I know exactly what the killing of animals entails.

So what's your point?
Did you enjoy it? did it give you a kick? get your rocks off to it?
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Probably because they have tiny d1cks, they were bullied as kids, maybe they were spoilt, who knows but they are low life scum. Animals that have no chance of outrunning a crazy high powered rifle with scope the size of Jodrell Bank on top. It's hardly sporting is it? We're supposed to be modern, developed humans, not cavemen.

"sport" would be taking the gun from this "white hunter" and his fat b4stard friend from earlier in the year, the American dentist and throwing them into a lion enclosure and watching that. Now that would be sport. Watching them run around trying to avoid being gored and ripped apart limb by fat, lazy limb would be much more amusing. I'd pay to see that.

Cue groans I suspect.
I'm glad you mentioned it. In terms of hunting, it's more less like that ...
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How is my pleasure any more virtuous than that of the hunter who can, at least, see the animal he is killing, and is prepared to do the killing himself?
I think the issue is less about the physical produce (milk, meat etc) and more about the ulterior motives of the hunters.

The produce for these so called "sports hunters" is just a photo opportunity and the thrill. I mean really, "lion chops", "elephant ribs"?? I'm not sure you'd seen those on a plate in any restaurant.
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Sorry, but no: being vegetarian isn't enough to get you off the hook. If we're going to be pedantic, even vegans are responsible for the deaths of thousands, perhaps millions of animals a year, but at least they're putting some effort into moral consistency.

There is no real reason, in the year 2015, for any European or North American to eat dairy produce, other than for pleasure. A cup of coffee is lovely with steamed milk over the top, toast just wouldn't be the same without lashings of butter, and who doesn't enjoy a slab of Stilton at Christmas? But none of these pleasures is essential for life for any contributor to this thread.

So, apparently, it's ok for hundreds of thousands of calves to be slaughtered for our pleasure, but it isn't ok for someone else to get pleasure from the sport of hunting.

The fact that some animals might be completely eradicated by hunters is a separate issue: only an idiot would argue that hunting should be completely unregulated and tourists allowed to hunt elephants or rhinos to extinction. But that isn't what animates the moral guardians amongst us. All hunting for pleasure is bad, and anyone who enjoys it must be a psychopath.

I don't care a fig for hunting. The idea of lying under a bush in Africa waiting for some wildebeeste to come running past doesn't appeal to me at all. But I do enjoy a nice plate of cheese and pickle, a cup of hot chocolate, steak and chips and bacon wrapped dates. How is my pleasure any more virtuous than that of the hunter who can, at least, see the animal he is killing, and is prepared to do the killing himself?

It's easy to wag fingers at other people. Not so easy to acknowledge that we're no better - or might, indeed, be worse!
Some of your worst bollocks DB and the competition is fierce, are you honestly saying you can't see a difference between someone positioned at the far end of the food chain enjoying the sanitised end result of animal slaughter to someone not only actively seeking an animal to kill but prepared to pay handsomely and fly halfway across the world to get their jollies?

The former is ill informed at best, cruel at worst, the latter is a sicko.

If it takes killing something to get your rocks off you are a sick piece of shit.
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Yeah. It wasn't so long ago that "psychologists" considered loving someone of the same sex as a mental illness.

I think we can safely dismiss what "psychologists" have to say on the subject of the oldest sport in the world.
As did the majority of the population and the legal system, willful misrepresentation does not a point make.
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Probably because they have tiny d1cks, they were bullied as kids, maybe they were spoilt, who knows but they are low life scum. Animals that have no chance of outrunning a crazy high powered rifle with scope the size of Jodrell Bank on top. It's hardly sporting is it? We're supposed to be modern, developed humans, not cavemen.

"sport" would be taking the gun from this "white hunter" and his fat b4stard friend from earlier in the year, the American dentist and throwing them into a lion enclosure and watching that. Now that would be sport. Watching them run around trying to avoid being gored and ripped apart limb by fat, lazy limb would be much more amusing. I'd pay to see that.

Cue groans I suspect.
Cats hunt for sport. They'll catch a mouse, or a mole, or a rabbit, or a pigeon. Play with it for a while, torture it, lose interest and piss off without eating it. What's the lesson in this? Life's. Not. Fair.

Perhaps it's because they have tiny dicks.
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