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I think the issue is less about the physical produce (milk, meat etc) and more about the ulterior motives of the hunters.

The produce for these so called "sports hunters" is just a photo opportunity and the thrill. I mean really, "lion chops", "elephant ribs"?? I'm not sure you'd seen those on a plate in any restaurant.
i guess that depends if mugabe is in town :P
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Cats hunt for sport. They'll catch a mouse, or a mole, or a rabbit, or a pigeon. Play with it for a while, torture it, lose interest and piss off without eating it. What's the lesson in this? Life's. Not. Fair.

Perhaps it's because they have tiny dicks.
You're comparing modern human development and intelligence with a cat?
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i guess that depends if mugabe is in town :P
Yeah, fair point. ;-)
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If it takes killing something to get your rocks off you are a sick piece of shit.
Woahhhh, steady on, that's a bit harsh.

It's just a discussion/debate we're having, not an insult slinging session.
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Old 18.10.2015, 01:09
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It's just a discussion/debate we're having, not an insult slinging session.
What I can infer from the debate is that if Mugabe were in town then the cats wouldn't leave the tortured mice uneaten. In whichever case the sporty cats shouldn't be sold guns either, because their small dickedness would make them less developed than humans
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Old 18.10.2015, 01:12
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You're comparing modern human development and intelligence with a cat?
Yes, believe it or not, humans have always hunted large game for sport. From cavemen all the way up until the Duke of Edinburgh, humans have hunted animals for fun. Just like cats. It's hard wired into our make up. There are people that take pleasure in killing animals. It maybe hard for you to fathom, however it's perfectly normal behaviour.
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Old 18.10.2015, 01:24
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There is a difference between someone positioned at the far end of the food chain enjoying the sanitised end result of animal slaughter to someone not only actively seeking an animal to kill but prepared to pay handsomely and fly halfway across the world to get their jollies.

The former is ill informed at best, cruel at worst, the latter is a sicko.
This is actually a fair point but I would rephrase it in a more polite above-quoted way.
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Old 18.10.2015, 08:25
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You're comparing modern human development and intelligence with a cat?
Given some of the posts on this thread, such as the one I quoted a few pages back, I'd say that might be an insult to the cat.

For the record, I don't hunt, only fish, and I eat what I catch. Nonetheless, I enjoy the thrill of the fight when a big northern pike or walleye takes the bait, I set the hook and I have to fight to land him in the boat. Sometimes the fish get away because I make a mistake - that's the bit that makes it a sport.

I filet my own fish, and try to kill them relatively humanely, in so far as those words can be put together... but in the end, they're just fish, and I'm not going to lose any sleep about it either way.

Is there something wrong with the above? How is it any different from, as DB pointed out, a slaughterhouse? Or from what would happen to the same fish when a bigger fish or a grizzly comes along? I see no difference to hunting either - Bambi winds up in the dinner pot and the family is happy for the stew.

I see people who are so rabidly anti-hunting / pro-animal as people who have been so isolated from the reality of the struggle for existence by modern convenience that they have the luxury of being offended; nonetheless, the reality that one thing must die for another to live remains.

And even if you want to limit your argument to "sport" hunters - what difference does it really make if you kill some animals for food and others for fun, if you're still killing animals either way?

Each of you will pick up different points of the above to argue, I suspect, and I don't really care; your views, particularly as expressed in the last few pages, are unlikely to sway me. Nonetheless, I felt a desire to inject some of my own rationality into the debate - not to attempt to convince you (when has that ever worked in an Internet debate anyway?), but to show other readers who may find this thread that there are other points of view that may strike a chord with them.
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Come on guys, if you can't see the difference between a slaughterhouse mass producing meat and big game hunting for exotic and comparatively rare animals , then you are either a an epic pedant or mildly delusional. I suspect the former.

I also fished for sport in still water {catch and release unless it's an edible fish in which case we always ate it) and for food in salt water, but that is not the same as popping a lion or an elephant because these creatures are simply on a different scale and hierarchy in the food chain and no matter what bleeding hearts would have you think, all animals are not fundamentally equal, not by a long chalk. I don't feel hypocritical to say that, I think it's just cold hard fact.

If you are shooting a rare and exotic "great beast" that engenders natural feelings of awe and majesty, such as a lion, elephant or giraffe for kicks {and I mean purely for sporting and adrenaline reasons) then imo something is fundamentally wrong with some part of you as a person of you are happy and satisfied to end that life.

I also accept that the vast amount of money charged for the dubious privilege may help conservation and may also stop someone doing it illegally, but I just can't see how it is in any way morally justifiable to oneself as an act.
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Old 18.10.2015, 09:17
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Come on guys, if you can't see the difference between a slaughterhouse mass producing meat and big game hunting for exotic and comparatively rare animals , then you are either a an epic pedant or mildly delusional. I suspect the former.
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There goes my attempt to move the thread towards rationality. First post, no less.
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Old 18.10.2015, 09:23
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/sigh

There goes my attempt to move the thread towards rationality. First post, no less.
/sigh

Maybe your view on what is and what isn't rational isn't as concrete as you think.
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Old 18.10.2015, 10:04
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500,000 is shit loads. Elephants aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
50-odd years ago there were that many Rhinos. And we've become MUCH more efficient at killing since then.
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50-odd years ago there were that many Rhinos. And we've become MUCH more efficient at killing since then.
I also think it's weird that someone would want to go and shoot a magnificent beast like a a rhino or an elephant. But it's not as if everyone is doing it. Poachers are scum and should be stopped. However if people are happy to go out and pay stupid money to shoot an animal that has been bred for that purpose, and in doing so support the local economy and help that species chances of survival, then I don't see that big a deal.
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Old 18.10.2015, 10:32
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Awe and majesty? A giraffe??

I sometimes used to wake up drunk, too. Best just to go back to bed for a bit.
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Awe and majesty? A giraffe??

I sometimes used to wake up drunk, too. Best just to go back to bed for a bit.
Yes, awe and majesty, a giraffe.
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Re: Cowardly Bastards

I'm going to have a Sunday morning continental breakfast which will have some bangers and ham in it. I was waiting on the top of the food chain in local Lidl and I can only hope that nobody flew half a globe to put it on my plate.
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I grew up in and around slaughterhouses. I know exactly what the killing of animals entails.

So what's your point?
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Awesome and majestic:
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Re: Cowardly Bastards

Do you know how old elephants die in the wild? Apparently they wear down their teeth so much through their lives that they are no longer able chew food. Therefore, they are forced to starved to death while slowly being gnawed on by hyenas, wild dogs, random cats and having their eyes eaten by vultures. After several days of this, they finally succumb to nature. Death by a compassionate, rich hunter is a much nicer way to go. Plus, their lower legs make pretty cool stools which would otherwise go to waste in the wild.
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