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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

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Hammond 'significant possibility' that Isis downed Russian plane

Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said there is a “significant possibility” that Islamic State militants brought down the Russian passenger jet last Saturday.
He said the assessment was based on sensitive intelligence. He added no UK bound Aircraft will leave Sharm el-Sheikh until the intelligence services are sure it is safe.
The bomb-on-board theory keeps gaining traction. This is bad for all the Egyptians who rely on tourism for their livelihoods

And will be interesting to see the public reaction in Russia, as ISIS is now targeting Russians for their Syrian involvement. Since Putin has a habit of "doubling down", I can imagine it will only intensify their involvement in the ME. Today Russia announced sending "missile systems" to Syria, altho it's unclear what systems they mean? Anti-aircraft missiles, like the BUK system that shot down MH17, or something else?
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Old 05.11.2015, 11:49
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The bomb-on-board theory keeps gaining traction. This is bad for all the Egyptians who rely on tourism for their livelihoods

And will be interesting to see the public reaction in Russia, as ISIS is now targeting Russians for their Syrian involvement. Since Putin has a habit of "doubling down", I can imagine it will only intensify their involvement in the ME. Today Russia announced sending "missile systems" to Syria, altho it's unclear what systems they mean? Anti-aircraft missiles, like the BUK system that shot down MH17, or something else?
About "will be interesting to see the public reaction in Russia" LOL, this is a regime whose reply to the complaint about bombing Syrian hospitals was "there were never any hospitals there"
You think the Russian public will be allowed to hear any unpleasant news? They will probably pass a new law making it illegal to discuss aircraft accidents.
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

How long until somebody infers that the bomb was planted by the Russian government intself to support their invasion in Syria...?
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Old 05.11.2015, 12:15
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How long until somebody infers that the bomb was planted by the Russian government intself to support their invasion in Syria...?
Do you mean like how Putin used the Moscow bombings as an excuse to invade Chechnya? If Russia wanted to use a terrorist act as an excuse to go into Syria militarily, then they did it bass-ackwards, LOL. First blow up the plane, THEN invade Syria. Altho in Arabic, I believe books are read from back-to-front, so I can see how this mistake could happen
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

oo if we're going to start getting the foil hats out then.... I blame the die hard Dutch Extremist groups plotting revenge on Russian aviation
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

From the Guardian:
"The British government has said up to 20,000 of its citizens will be evacuated from Sharm el-Sheikh regardless of the cost...."

Compare the British approach to the American government's approach, which is to require each evacuee sign a promissory note to repay evacuation costs prior to boarding an evacuation flight or ship.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...harm-el-sheikh
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I blame Economisto.

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Was just looking at Edelweiss fights for end of Nov beginning Dec..think I might hold off a few days now.
I've lived and worked in Sinai and I wouldn't take a holiday there anytime soon. It also happens to be one of my favourite places on Earth. There was a time when you could hike for days and days in lunar landscapes, meet Bedouin - who wouldn't rob, kidnap or murder you - and enjoy being free as a bird.

Now it's one of the worst places in the world for terrorism yet Egypt and the travel industry lobby for news to be repressed for the sake of tourism. Charmless Sharm is a curious corner and not really Sinai. The military attempt a ring of steel to protect the Europeans but it's all pointless.

Still, at least resorts and flights are cheap, so best not to make a fuss.

Sinai was always a bit of a no man's land but in the last ten years things have gone from bad to worse. That it's a low level war zone the whole time doesn't seem to make it to the news, despite international peace monitors.

It's kicking off everywhere. What a shame.

Ps, Swiss have some decent prices to Thailand if you're looking for winter sun.
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I've lived and worked in Sinai and I wouldn't take a holiday there anytime soon. It also happens to be one of my favourite places on Earth. There was a time when you could hike for days and days in lunar landscapes, meet Bedouin - who wouldn't rob, kidnap or murder you - and enjoy being free as a bird.

Now it's one of the worst places in the world for terrorism yet Egypt and the travel industry lobby for news to be repressed for the sake of tourism. Charmless Sharm is a curious corner and not really Sinai. The military attempt a ring of steel to protect the Europeans but it's all pointless.

Still, at least resorts and flights are cheap, so best not to make a fuss.

Sinai was always a bit of a no man's land but in the last ten years things have gone from bad to worse. That it's a low level war zone the whole time doesn't seem to make it to the news, despite international peace monitors.

It's kicking off everywhere. What a shame.

Ps, Swiss have some decent prices to Thailand if you're looking for winter sun.
Only ever go to Sharm for work or catch a boat, I tend to go to Dahab, go 3-4 times a year last there in September. Recently its been much better then I've ever seen, the worst time was around the time of the brotherhood being in power.

saying that Thailand has plenty of its own issues also. either way i'll go were the divings good and that tends to be in places with dictators or restless locals.
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

Lufthansa, which includes Edelweiss, is not flying to Sinai for a while

http://www.srf.ch/news/international...arm-el-scheich
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Old 06.11.2015, 09:58
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

Russian aviation authorities have taken the rational and non-political decision of suspending Boeing's certificates in Russia (because apparently they may explode if a bomb is on-board (?)) Perhaps a shift to Russian built aircraft for Russian airlines is in the cards?

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The Interstate Aviation Committee said earlier in the letter it was suspending the certificate for all Boeing-737 aircraft in Russia until receiving a joint notice of the Russian Federal Air Transport Agency and the US Federal Aviation Administration on the aircraft airworthiness.
http://tass.ru/en/politics/834246
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Old 06.11.2015, 10:13
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Russian aviation authorities have taken the rational and non-political decision of suspending Boeing's certificates in Russia (because apparently they may explode if a bomb is on-board (?)) Perhaps a shift to Russian built aircraft for Russian airlines is in the cards?


http://tass.ru/en/politics/834246
Boeing 737s make up around 20% of Russia's commercial aircraft so stopping them will presumably have a bigger effect on Russia than the West? Unless they are all leased from Western companies who would suffer losses.

Many of these aircraft are used on the Crimea route but as winter is approaching then presumably this route is quieter? Although in Winter air travel is the only viable route to Crimea; the ferries cannot be used when there is too much ice around. Most of the cargo planes used to supply Crimea are also 737's.

Apparently 85% of the aircraft used for Russian passenger flights are registered outside Russia and the Russians want to change this.
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

So why the difference in interest for this plane accident?

Malaysian airliner shot down over Ukraine. Hits 100 post amount in 2 days. About 500 posts YTD

GermanWings plane crashes into Alps. Also hits 100 post mark in 2 days. I think also another 500 posts YTD

10/31: Russian plane breaks up in mid air over Egypt. Just 52 posts over 7 days.
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(Russia intensifies it's bombardments against ISIS)

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MOSCOW, November 6. /TASS/. Russia's presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov referred to the Charlie Hebdo cartoons about the crash of the Russian plane in Egypt as blasphemy having nothing to do with democracy.
"This has nothing to do with democracy, self-expression or whatever. It is pure blasphemy," he told reporters. "I am not commenting on moral standards of the French - this is a concern of theirs - but in this country it is clear blasphemy."
http://tass.ru/en/politics/834379

Seems Russia and ISIS can at least both agree that Charlie Hebdo is "blasphemous"
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

Putin has ordered a stop to Egypt flights!! Of course it was not a bomb !!
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Old 06.11.2015, 17:31
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Russian aviation authorities have taken the rational and non-political decision of suspending Boeing's certificates in Russia (because apparently they may explode if a bomb is on-board (?)) Perhaps a shift to Russian built aircraft for Russian airlines is in the cards?


http://tass.ru/en/politics/834246
There is a suggestion going around that the Russian officials think their public are so stupid that they can convince them the Sinai incident is connected to the 737 ban; one jet aircraft is much the same as another just the labels on the outside are changed !!
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So why the difference in interest for this plane accident?

Malaysian airliner shot down over Ukraine. Hits 100 post amount in 2 days. About 500 posts YTD

GermanWings plane crashes into Alps. Also hits 100 post mark in 2 days. I think also another 500 posts YTD

10/31: Russian plane breaks up in mid air over Egypt. Just 52 posts over 7 days.
Maybe it is because I am the only one posting here

Anyway leaks from the French Airbus investigation say according to the black box everything was technically fine until "bang" so no technical or pilot failures.

Very sad for the Egyptian tourist industry.
Now Russia plans to bring home 50,000 tourists!

Awful for the people on the plane and their families; innocent victims of military actions in a country they probably could not point to on a map - futility of it all.

I suppose other countries in the area will now not welcome Russian tourists (except Israel who have stringent security measures)?

Does not look possible now for the Russian Govt. to hide this from their public.
Ironic that Putin said he went to Syria to fight ISIS, he did not actually fight ISIS, but now ISIS claim to have taken revenge for what he said and not for what he did.

So what will Putin do now;
  • increase the Russian military presence in Syria?
  • Reverse his position and concentrate on bombing ISIS in Syria?
  • Start attacking ISIS in Iraq?
  • Withdraw from Syria (least likely option)
  • Blame Erdogan

And what do the people who were praising Putin's initiative have to say now?

I believe this is the first time ISIS attacked a civilian aircraft?
Whatever they publicly stated about creating a Caliphate instead they seemed to be happy just sitting in the desert and earning millions per day selling stolen oil while keeping their followers happy with women and drugs.
Somebody at the top must now have a fat bank account

Now they have upped the stakes; probably not a decision from their central command?
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

I suspect explosive decompression sounds the same whether caused by structural failure or high explosives, so the black box recording is not definitive. I hope it was a quick death for all.
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I suspect explosive decompression sounds the same whether caused by structural failure or high explosives, so the black box recording is not definitive. I hope it was a quick death for all.
It is too soon to rule out structural failure.

My thinking was coloured by Putin banning Egyptian flights. I assume he does not believe structural failure is high on the possibility list and there is a Russian team at the crash site.
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

If I was Putin, I'd nuke the whole region.

And SA for good measure.

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