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Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

Reports just coming in that a Russian airliner with 200 people on board is missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34687139
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

Reports confirm it crashed over Sinai peninsula. On board were Mostly Russian tourists. RIP
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

CIA at its finest.
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CIA at its finest.
Care to back up that insinuation?
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CIA at its finest.
Had this been a Tupolev nobody would have given it a second thought, and yet its an 18 year old Airbus from a small outfit in Western Siberia.

My money is on poor maintenance.
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

'Voices' heard inside section of aircraft, official says

An Egyptian security officer has told Reuters he could hear the voices of trapped passengers from a section of the crashed Russian plane. The plane reportedly split into two parts.

“There is another section of the plane with passengers inside that the rescue team is still trying to enter and we hope to find survivors, especially after hearing pained voices of people inside,” the anonymous officer told the news agency.

Egypt’s health ministry has dispatched 45 ambulances to the scene to “evacuate the dead and wounded” which could indicate possible survivors, though this remains unconfirmed.

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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

This part is quite scary - https://twitter.com/flightradar24/st...70810029236224

6000 ft/min = 110 kmph
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

Seems like it might have been caused by a technical fault.

"The Russian plane that crashed on Saturday morning in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula was due to a "technical failure" and was not shot down, pilot Ayman Al-Mokadem, who is heading a committee to monitor the crash's aftermath, stated.

Al-Mokadem said that the pilot sensed a technical failure and reported to the aviation authorities that he wanted to land at the nearest airport."

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/162254.aspx

Seems the Russians think so too.

"A criminal case has also been opened against the airline, Kogalymavia, for "violation of rules of flight and preparation for them", Russia's Ria news agency reported."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34687139
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

Wow! The world's fastest air accident investigators
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

Mikail Robertson from the flight tracking service Flight Radar 24 has been giving more details about what could have happened after the flight left Sharm el-Sheik.

“It was climbing quite normally when after 23 minutes when it passed 30,000ft it suddenly started to lose speed,” he told BBC World.
“It went down from 400 knots to 62 knots and then it suddenly started to drop very fast… after about 20 seconds we lost the signal from this aircraft.”
He said it was hard to say what could have caused this to happen.
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

Any similarities here? Frozen pitot tubes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

A very sad day for aviation.

The aircraft also had a tailstrike back in 2001, not that it should or could affect the outcome http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=20011116-0

Stall and pilot error? Who knows until we have the report..
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

SIF/ISIS appear to be claiming responsibility, though they may just be stirring. It's a long time after the event to be credible.
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

Say there's no evidence and the missiles the militants in that area use aren't supposed to reach that altitude.

All 224 dead. RIP.
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SIF/ISIS appear to be claiming responsibility, though they may just be stirring. It's a long time after the event to be credible.
True except a bomb fits the facts as we know them? Hard to see what else could so quickly knock out an airliner at 10 thousand metres (It went down from 400 knots to 62 knots in a few seconds). Unless something major like a wing falling off or the pilot put it into steep dive?

The Russians have missile ships in the Med but their surface to air missiles only have a 50 mile range.

Sad business for passengers, crew and family
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

Both black boxes were recovered and the Egyptian & Russian investigators have started working to establish the cause of crash.
A few sources claim the fact that it split into two parts points to a tailstrike in 2001 that was never properly fixed.
Meanwhile some airlines, including Air France, KLM and Lufthansa will avoid the Sinai route for the time being as an extra precaution.
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Re: Russian airliner missing over Egypt's Sinai peninsula

Only thing known for sure right now is that the plane broke in half in mid-air, which means either a massive technical fault or terrorism (bomb or missile). Both are probable as well, Russian airlines aren't known for having the best safety records, and the sanctions against Russia have hit the tourism and airlines particularly hard, meaning they are probably having to cut even more corners to save money. Terrorism is very probable as well, since Russia jumped into the melee in the Middle East last month, ISIS is looking to get revenge on Russia, and blowing up airlines is chapter 1 in the terrorist handbook.

In any case, we'll have to wait and see. Altho I guess since Egypt wants to keep what's left of it's tourism industry, and Russia is afraid of public backlash for supporting Syria militarily, they both have already ruled out terrorism before the investigation even started.
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The aircraft also had a tailstrike back in 2001, not that it should or could affect the outcome http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=20011116-0

Stall and pilot error? Who knows until we have the report..
Could have easily affected the outcome. There was a incident of a China Airlines 747 that suffered a tail strike, repair wasn't done properly and 22 years to the day later the cracks under the repair had widened enough that the whole tail section came off and plane disintegrated in mid-air.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_611

Also happened earlier to a Japan Airlines plane.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123
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Only thing known for sure right now is that the plane broke in half in mid-air, which means either a massive technical fault or terrorism (bomb or missile). Both are probable as well, Russian airlines aren't known for having the best safety records, and the sanctions against Russia have hit the tourism and airlines particularly hard, meaning they are probably having to cut even more corners to save money. Terrorism is very probable as well, since Russia jumped into the melee in the Middle East last month, ISIS is looking to get revenge on Russia, and blowing up airlines is chapter 1 in the terrorist handbook.

In any case, we'll have to wait and see. Altho I guess since Egypt wants to keep what's left of it's tourism industry, and Russia is afraid of public backlash for supporting Syria militarily, they both have already ruled out terrorism before the investigation even started.
Or not see.


I very much doubt if the flight recorders will be able to differentiate between bomb and structual failure which means the proof would lie in a chemical analysis of the wreakage (i.e. looking for bomb residue). In light of the above, hands up all those that would trust Egypt or Russia to be completely honest about the results of that....
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